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Are there any land mines involved with taking an L.C. Smith apart? I have no problems with British guns but am venturing into uncharted waters.....
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Not in taking apart, but in putting back. The top lever spring needs to be compressed so that the top lever shaft can fit into it's fit in the trigger plate housing.
Go to http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/15525639.


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I just had my 10 gauge hammer Elsie apart. I drilled a hole in the side of the wrist (under the plates) and made a little tool. I took a flat U style clamp I had laying around. I drilled a hole through one side through which I inserted a small bolt. A nut on each side of the clamp and the bolt is tight with no movement. I then put the one side of the clamp on the far side of the wrist, inserted the bolt through the drilled hole in the wrist and let it push against the top lever shaft. I then just kept tightening clamp and doing so caused the bolt to push against the lever shaft pushing the spring over so the trigger plate could be aligned. It was simple after I made the tool. Without it it was a bugger trying to get it to move.

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This is the way the late Russ Ruppel did it. A simple way to do it and works great. The pin mounted in the 6" "C" clamp is a piece of 3/32"x 1 1/2" long drill blank mounted permanetly in the clamp.




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Not to overstate the obvious here, but unlike our fine boxlocks: Parker, AH Fox, Ithaca etc-- when you diss-assemble your Smith, make sure the hammers are cocked back and into the sears- if you can freely 'wiggle" each of the cocking axles, the hammers are cocked- and make sure the axle tips are at the top of the receiver "nose" when you put the lockplates back- with the hammers cocked- so avoid interference with the lifters-- I usually mark each firing pin as to right and left barrel position- they can vary, even without wear-- And as both the rear machine screw for the trigger plate locking(through the stock hole) that "bottoms" into the top tang and the machine screw for the lockplates at the rear (two others in the front on the FW(E) series Smiths) have the same head and thread size, one is longer than the other, so I usually turn the lock plate machine screw a few turns into the threaded hole in the right barrel side lockplate- I use magnets on my bench to keep the small pins, machine screws, etc from "getting away"--or lost-- Let me know if you need parts, I just bought two 12 gauge "parts guns- both Smiths of course-- Love dem "Elsies" like a schoolboy loves his pie!!


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Not being a big fan of drilling an extra hole in an already weak area; I use a tapered hardened pin to "auger" it back into the hole. All the other screws are loosly installed and I clamp the receiver into a padded vise.
This is my understanding of how it was done at the factory.
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I find the Bill May method quite easy.

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Before you take it apart, make sure the top lever is relaxed. I've never heard anyone state that it hurts anything when the pin is removed from the floor plate, but it makes a heck of a CANK noise without the lever spring relaxed. To relax the lever, look at where the barrel wedge fits, there is a little pin there. Push down on it while holding the lever, and you can gently relax the rotary bolt and lever.

Take the whole thing apart. I'm not a fan of drilling a hole in the stock after my custom clamp slipped just a bit and did this:



I made a tiny wedge of brass, and drilled a hole into it for some fishing line.



I compress the spring with the wedge, and after the whole thing is together, but before the sideplates are on, I move the lever to the right. This frees the brass wedge which can then be pulled out by the string. Just be sure the wedge will fit through the gap in the stock head and that the string is properly located during assembly. The benefit of this over the hardened pin/pry method, is that there is no chance of buggering the fine threads of the top lever. Best of luck to you.

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Jim, the Hunter Arms factory workers used an old screw driver with a "V" shaped wedge ground in it and what looked like a 3/32" nail punch. It was inserted in the small hole of the top lever shaft and used the "V" shaped tool to push against the nail set to align it to the trigger plate housing.
Like you stated, the screws were loose, but then you needed to either push the trigger plate housing down or push the top lever shaft down to fit.
They did this all the time and made it look easy. I did it once, and that was it for me. One slip and it glides across the receiver and can then gouge the wood. I only do it occasionaly and that little hole won't hurt a thing.

Runs, if you check the screws again, you will see that the side plate connecting screw has a thinner head than the rear trigger plate to top tang. You can readily see this when it is a Grade 2 or better as the side plate connecting screw is engraved.

Fishnfowler, looking at your picture it looks that the side plate was not on when this happened. That is why the jaw pad is on the clamp in my picture so that can't happen.

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Originally Posted By: italiansxs
Not being a big fan of drilling an extra hole in an already weak area; I use a tapered hardened pin to "auger" it back into the hole. All the other screws are loosly installed and I clamp the receiver into a padded vise.
This is my understanding of how it was done at the factory.
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I use the same method with the added help of a screwdriver blade. Sometimes levering the spindle over with just the punch leaves a mark on the side of the screw countersink. That's one thing to look for if you suspect a redone or in the least disassembled gun in the past.
Some have the strength to pull that truck-like spring over by just pulling on the punch or pin inserted in the hole. Not me!

With a pin punch in the hole of the spindle, a screwdriver with a deep notch in the blade is used to push the spindle over. Your stomach is the 'push' power behind the screwdriver. That leaves your hands free to guide the trigger plate down into position, one hand best used to keep the spindle itself from dropping down in the assembly.

It will actually snap into place as the spindle enters the hole in the trigger plate.
The rear tang screw and the front trigger plate screw haveing been tightened just enough to put a bit of tension on the whole assembly before you give it the push.

Lay a piece of thin leather accross the bottom of the action with a small hole punched in it if you like to avoid any chance of something maring the finish.

In the Marlin factory, this is exactly how the LCS were assembled. It works quickly and perfectly each time.
I was shown the technique when I worked there in the early 70's by a gentleman by the name of John Miller.
He had been with the Company since the 1930's and had done LCS assembly and repair there. He still had his kit of 'specialty' tools for the job.
(He was not enthusiastic about the 'new' LCS that Marlin was trying to market at the time. He refused to have anything to do with those new edition LCS guns.
I think it was the glued on ribs that did it!
The small 'off limits' room full of new LCS's with blown bbls was one thing he made sure to show me.)

I still use that simple LCS re-assembly method.
No alteration to the gun necessary and no special tools other than a screwdriver with a notch in the blade.
I use one I have filed out to a spanner bit for removing the spindle nut on a Fox for the chore.

Also on the LCS,
The forward bridle screw is sometimes fitted by filing the head of it once it's in the tightened position in the lock assembly.
That was done to make the lock plate lay flat against the regular frame at that upper corner.
The screw will show a few file strokes to only a portion of the head sometimes, or be filed at an angle.
If on replaceing the screw, that file adjusted area doesn't mate with the frame edge inside as originally done,,the plate will sit high or low off the frame edge on the outside when the lock plate screw is tightened.

The small forward side plate screw(s) on the FW frame are the same screw as the bridle screws.
Sometimes you can use one of the bridle screws to replace a severely damaged plate screw,,but not always as they may have been filed off too much, round headed or altered otherwise.

No need to take the cocking rods out unless something needs repair.
The cocking arm that engages the hammer is a simple press fit onto the back end of the rod. A square hole onto a square peg like a hammer on a lock tumbler.
Drive them out from the back with a long punch while supporting the frame. Carefull you don't damage the edges of the frame or tang while using the punch and hammer as they can be at a slightly odd angle when doing so depending on your punch diameter.
Mark and keep separate 'left & right' as with all the duplicate parts.

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