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, as to shooting a lot of shells Im not sure a UK gun is so bad, I did two 500 bird driven days last November back to back with 7 other guns, I was shooting a 6lb 2 oz 20 bore (skeleton butt stock made to my measurements) using 32 grams (1oz and a 1/16th I think, might have been 1oz or 30 grams) and I fired over 400 cartridges I guess, no pain ! I guess the Winchester name has kudos over there but if I was going "hell for stout" Id rather have a Perazzi and for the money you chaps pay for those M21s I could get a decent second hand one, best, Mike p.s. not denigrating anyone State side, just puzzled though it is becoming clearer
