They are BETTER than you hope they are. I've owned one for about thirty seasons, and while it doesn't see much use except as a kids gun safety or loaner gun these days, my personal best day of 5 woodcock and 5 grouse (a MN daily limit) has been achieved with only one gun-that model 17. Never a problem, excepting the vented Cutts that was installed at the time I bought it (patterned well, but TOO DAMN LOUD) and I sent it off to Stan Baker for bore work and screw in chokes in the late 1970s to eliminate that problem.
Tim Frazier has a few, and I think they have pushed his doubles from the go-to lineup. They are THAT good. Use it in good health. Oh yea, I forgot to mention, I had to pay $50 whole dollars for mine in 1977, and Stan got $99 from me for the choke/bore work. Times have changed.
Best,
Ted
