Frank, I havent been following this forum for a while. I just caught this thread and the one on the lc smith. Maybe you have changed but a couple of your recent posts and almost all that you posted a couple of years ago really seem to be designed to offend other people. You post your opinion, often in a harsh manner and then attack(on a personal level) anyone who disagrees with you. Are you really trying to help the people who post here or do you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing(you spend a lot of time baiting others)? If you really are interested in gun history, I would think you would post in a way that encourages exploration of the gun. Ross