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Anyone have a Sedgley with this barrel profile, the step down just in front of the receiver? 
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Yes - that's just like mine.
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Is yours a 30-06? Looks like a Hensoldt in a Stoeger mount.
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Obviously the breech collar of the Sedgley and the Win mod 70 featherweight barrel are similar. Does the Sedgley barrel also have the double taper? Historically, does anyone know who was the first to use this type of barrel breech design?
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Ryan, The one that Michael posted is mine and is Sedgley #153, does yours have a Sedgley number? I have another 8 or so Sedgleys and none have this type barrel profile. LRF, I'm not sure what you mean by double taper.
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Mine is a Zeil Dialyt in a Stoeger mount. The Stoeger mount looks (to me) identical to the Paul Jaeger mounts - was there some connection? Yes, it's a 30-06.
I don't remember the Sedgley's number - it's down in the shop and it's raining, but I'll check and find out this afternoon.
I've read that Sedgley "sourced his barrels from Winchester" along with the Winchester buttplates it seems he often used. I'm not enough of a Winchester scholar to know if this is possible. When did the Featherweight first appear? Did it have this barrel form from the start? The thing that confuses me is that I thought the F'weight had something like a 20" or 22" barrel, and mine is a 24", as well as I think every other Sedgley I've seen. And it's not a "featherweight" barrel - it's heavy - heavier than my (pretty heavy) standard weight Krieger barrel in a smaller caliber (7mm).
Doesn't seem to add up to me.
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Dan On the M70 there are two tapers. Starting at the "collar" going toward the muzzle, the barrel tapers at one rate and then after about 6" the taper changes to a shallower taper and continues to the muzzle.(don't remember the dimensions exactly as my featherweight gun is presently out hunting deer with my son :))
Hope that helps
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The Win M70 featherweight came out in about 1953 in the short chamber calibers- .308 and .243Win (the .308 necked down) and the standard issue barrel for the featherweight was a 22"- without the "goose-egged" rear sight lump found on both the Std. wwt. and the Std. Wt SG series-- There is NO rear set screw in the FW stock, as on the Std. Wt. pre-1964 M70s--
In 1951 WRA changed from the single hook cut rifling, a process which took 11 minutes, and then the finished bores were lapped with lead compound- WRA went to the button broaching process and eliminated the lapping, except on the NM and SG M70's- The featherweight was an attempt by WRA management to lower mfg. costs- but using a anodized (ugh) aluminum magazine and floor plate.trigger guard assembly, also an alum. buttplate instead of steel- a shorter barrel w/o the taper you mentioned as found on the 24"-25" (.375 H&H mag. and some .300 H&H mag. M70's- and 26" as on the .220 Swift and the later .264Win. cals.
Tricky thing here is, up to about 1962, WRA still had the custom shop concept, so you could order a M70 FW in SG in 30-06 with a 24" barrel (a scarce variant today) And as this is a shotgunning forum mainly, greatly enhanced by both the German-Austrian sectors, as well as the fine rifles sector, and thanks to Dave Weber for that- you can also consider the WRA tried the same concept with the Model 12- in the same aprox. 1953 time frame-- the M12 featherweight-
My prejudices here I suppose, as I shoot better with a std. weight (albiet well balanced) weapon, but I'll always go for my pre-1964 M70's in std. grade, and my M12's also in std.- featherweights ain't for me- might be just right for you!!
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Perhaps an '03 military bbl machined to just remove the rear sight spline groove? That was fairly popular at one time for cosmetic as well as some weight saving measures. But it doesn't result in a real lightweight/feather weight bbl by just removing the spline cut and gradually tapering it out towards the muzzle.
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Good call- believe G&H did that with their custom 30-06 rifles built on the 1903 Springfield. I have often wondered if the Super Grade rifles in the Winchester Models 54 and 70 were not offered as an offset to the sportsmen back in those days against the G&H and other custom rifle builders. Hard to do any better than the great K98 Mauser and all its "Cousins" worldwide--Also note that the stamped/etched S and the cal. are as 30-06 and not the .30-Gov't-06
Hensoldt was later merged with Zeiss. I agree the the mounts have the look of Paul Yeager's precise workmanship with metal-
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