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"I am working with a early 1900's vintage SxS Box Lock" The meaning of a 'R' AFTER the serial number is uncertain but may indicate the A.P. Curtis Forend Fastener used 1912 to 1920  Regular frame automatic ejector ('RE' BEFORE the serial number) on left with Specialty grade 'S'. Featherweight frame 'Fw' and 'Field' grade on right. Featherweight guns 1909-1913 may not have the FW prefix stamp.  Look around here a bit Dr Brown http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/15234180 and http://www.lcsmith.org/index.html
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Doug,
The letter "R" on this gun is not a prefix, but rather a suffix letter spaced after the serial number if that makes a difference in your consideration. Your gun is a Regular Frame L.C. Smith with round corners on the side lock plates..........post the first four of the serial number if you would like the date of manufacture....... Best, Doug, The serial number (the first four digets) is; 347,6XX. Will this tell you the month and day in 1914 that it was produced ?
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The best way to determine if you have a FW frame is to measure the width (span) across the nose- front of the receiver knuckle where the cocking rod axles protrude- R was a designation- the FW frames will have the extra tapped and recessed holes at the front bar of each sideplate, the R frame will not. But be advised- there were two "rare?" frame exceptions known- see Houchins book- the experimental 7 pin hole lock plates (possibly a H&H tyre sear interceptor design prototype) and also the C frame a R frame but with the extra front locating/mounting machine screws as on the FW series- Smiths are, indeed, a puzzlement- the radius break (nice job of giving out dims. too) was about the transition move from Syracuse to Fulton- early Syracuse Smiths had the four corners of the barrel lump (or lug) at true 90%- a right angle in steel against steel traps stress at that point, milling a radius relieves the stresses and sends them "a packin') around the radius- see the angle of the breech face to watertable- a 90% but the intersection is also radiused, and for this reason- some cheap US hardware store doubles were not so machined, they are junkyard dawgs today--
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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I certainly hope that you realize that the guys here are all pulling your leg about the "lead insert" in the stock and that all this sidelock vs boxlock business is just to keep you confused. What you undoubtedly have in your L.C. stock is a roll of gold double eagle coins placed there by an afluent former owner for emergency purposes and also to balance the gun a little better. Don't let'em fool you!...Geo
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Wanna buy a gun, Doug?...Geo
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