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Red,
Congrats on your Daly. At that weight, it may have been a "fowler".

I wanted to mention the blue-green material seen on the underside of the barrels next to the "LS", is something I've seen before on salts-blued barrels. Good that they ring, however I would keep an eye out for loose ribs down the road.

A gun of this character would normally have worn-silver barrels with a bit of Damacus pattern showing through. Working carefully, you might be able to achieve that type of finish yourself so the whole gun stays "in-character" showing the long history of hunting and hordes of ducks it may have seen.

I have also seen this specific "herringbone" pattern Damascus ruined by a too-long barrel etch treatment. Having a Smith with double gun chops eximine the barrels and action might be a good idea. Kirk Merrington in Texas or JJ. Perodeau at Champlin Arms in Enid, OK come to mind.

Have fun,

C.

Drew,

Here's a couple of photos of Bob's barrels that I found in my Photoshop album.

THANKS Doug! But that's a different pattern

Drew, Which set of barrels are you looking for ???? The one you posted is the etched set the ones I posted are the second set of barrels.

Doug

Doug and Bob: I'd like a better pic of the 'Turc Extra' crolle pattern and thanks again!

Thanks for adding the photos and keeping the thread going.

I have to admit that some of the details on the gun were not what I expected to see. The markings on the gun (serial #, initials, brevete mark, Lindenr marks, etc.) and the general features on the gun (horn forend tip, cocking indicators, etc., etc.) are all what I would expect to see on a gun of this vintage. That said, the engraving and wood work on the butt stock seems out of place.

The subject matter of the engraving is correct (rae deer, pointing dogs, etc.), but all the fine detail is gone. On second look, maybe that detail was buffed out during a poorly thought out refinishing job and only the heavier portions of the engraving remain? Again, the animal shapes are there but not the detail.

Similarly the wood that is visible in the photos next to the action is either a replacement or has been crudley recheckered at a minimum. Prussian Dalys were notrmally very nicely stocked with close tolerances and attention to detail. The remains of the drop point has been hacked on by someone.

My comments are not intended to run the gun down; please take them in the positive sense they are intended. It looks like the gun has quite a history. I would not be surprised to hear it was fowling piece of serious duck shooter.

Ken

Ken, no hard feelings. It was just your honest assessment and I read it as such. It is what it is. This is how I got it off the rack. Did the wood on the older Prussian Daly's get serialed to the gun like say a Parker, or LC Smith? If so, where would it be stamped? Under the trigger guard?

thanks, redoftx.

On the one gun I've seen that was almost in the same condition it left the factory, the serial number was in pencil. It was located under the forend iron between the screws and on the buttstock under the trigger guard.

Drew, taking a clear closeup of those Turc Extra etched barrels has already broken a few cameras. Holding them in your hand is the only way to get an idea of how outrageous they are. By the way, as I recall, the etched set has never been refinished!

Oh, but we will at some point, albeit hinged on a preponderance of evidence. We know the time frame, we know the task and we know the initials. What we are missing is a comprehensive list of craftsmen and their task. Some gunsmiths were tube makers, or performed a task within the realm or area of expertise of the tube maker, while I'm pretty sure that not all tube makers were gunsmiths. Take Wilhelm Kelber for example. As far as I know he wasn't a master gunsmith but more than likely a master tube maker. When we've exhausted the list of potential gunsmiths for LE, we'll need to look toward the tube makers. I'd guess a first name of Lorenz or Ludwig and then there's I guess a baker's dozen of E names.

Forgot not that we've yet to begin on the names of the wood craftsmen.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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