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I have a few OT questions Im hoping some of the rifle people that post here can answer. I recently acquired several rifles:
1. a friend gave me an old Mossberg .22 made for Wards,
2. on the advice of an internet acquaintance, I purchased a Mosin Nagant Russian military rifle, and
3. my great granddads 1863 Springfield musket.
What all these three guns share in common is a 13 LOP. Im 65 and my shotguns use a 15.5 LOP. Since rifles are aimed and not pointed Does LOP make that much of a difference with a rifle? Other than shooting on the rifle team my freshman year in high school and shooting squirrels and blackbirds as a kid, Im not really knowledgeable of rifle nitty-gritty such as proper fit (maybe I should ask to see the generic dimensions on a Remington 700 at the local Cabelas). Could any of you rifle guys help me out here.
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Just for you I measured my 700 Remington 7mm Mag. LOP is 13 5/16". One of my buddies is 6'5" and it's too short for him so I guess you and him are in the same boat. I'm 5'9" and I like a 13 7/8 to 14" LOP for my shotguns depending on how much clothing I'm wearing.
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Rifle fit relates to positioning your eye behind your sights in a relaxed unstrained position. And the stock has to be long enough to keep the rear sight out of your nose or the scope's ocular ring off your forehead during recoil in my opinion. Length of pull isn't too critical if the comb is high enough to get you behind the sights without having an unsupported head or having to dig hard with your cheek to line up. Position is also related to stock fit, which is why you see target shooters with stocks adjustable in just about all directions. Prone requires a completely different fit compared to off hand. Also related is how heavy a cartridge you are firing. Might want a little more length with a big nitro vs a .22 because you will probably fire the later more across your body which would be dangerous with heavy recoiling gun. If you are really long in the neck and shoulder width a little more length is reasonable. For a general purpose hunting or plinking rifle a fit much like a shotgun would be fine so long as it is fit to the sight line which is a bit higher than most shotgun ribs and if you are not a real stock crawler.
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Good questions. I hadn't considered it. We don't go on with fit about rifles as we do with shotguns. I wonder why.
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Steve,
My scoped rifles that are comfortable to me run about 3/4" shorter LOP than a single trigger shotgun that fits me.
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Rockdoc: I prefer to have a scope as close to the barrel as possible and that way it aligns closer to the eye for a quick shot like that which would be made on running game. It has to be comfortable and easy just like in shotgunning to make a quick shot. Target shooting is another matter IMO. I also shoot a scoped rifle with both eyes open just like a shotgun. Just my personal opinion though. Buzz
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I found these tips very practical for a scoped rifle. JC
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I want ALL my guns to perfectly fit me. You won't believe how much it will do for your field performance.
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FWIW, Jack O'Connor once wrote that most people shoot a shotgun that's too short and a rifle that's too long (LOP). Seems he was in the camp of short pulls on rifles as well.
I don't obsess over LOP on rifles, unless it is a dedicated offhand iron sighted rifle, as much as I do shotguns. Shotguns are mounted and shot without aiming, so the fit must be closer to perfect than with a rifle. I shot competitive offhand for many years and was very particular about the fit on those rifles, but I can position a scope to give me proper eye relief with rather broad range of LOPs on rifles. Over the counter stuff usually works great for me, even though I prefer a 14 3/4"-15 1/4" pull on shotguns.
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So long as you have the sights lined up, it doesn't matter how the stock fits. Russian rifles are short because they wear a lot of clothes over there.
All you need is for your face to be far enough from the sight that you can line them up. With a scope, which you can't put on a M/N without a lot of expense, you need for it to be within the sight focus distance, which is from 2-4" to keep the scope from biting you.
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