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Well, when you have to travel for work, it sometimes has its advantages. I now own my 1st Charles Daly, for better or worse. I will be able to post pics. Friday, but I will try to describe it as best I can, so maybe someone can tell me what I have.

ACTION:
--no markings/proof-marks on action flats
--Serial # 3364 on all 3 parts and trigger guard too.
--DAC - 1 5/8, DAH - 2 1/2, LOP - 14 1/4 to a horn butt plate w/engraved screws. Round knob pistol grip ( POW?? )and the stock has teardrop points behind the action like a D grade Parker.
--Anson&Deeley 1487 Brevete stamped upside down on the breech face
--sculpted breech balls and DT ; SAFE in gold letters
--cocking indicators on top of receiver.
--"Charles Daly" in a banner on both sides of receiver.
--Rose and Scroll engraving all over receiver and trigger guard.
--"Scalloped" on the underside of the receiver like an old LeFever
--two deer, buck and doe, engraved on the bottom of the trigger guard
--two dogs, two ducks sitting, and one duck in flight engraved on bottom of receiver.

BARRELS:
--2 5/8 chambers; 30" barrels
--letters "LE" by the rib next to the bbl flats.
--two proof marks I can't begin to describe. One on each barrel between the bbl flats and the forend lug.
--Charles Daly Extra Fine Damascus Barrels Diamond Quality is engraved on the top rib.
--top rib has a dolls head extension.

FOREND:
--the fe has two slots where the cocking dogs go like a LeFever rod cocker
-- fe iron has rose/ scroll engraving all over it with a release lever like you find on a Parker.
--horn inlay tip.

Can anyone tell by the info. given about what year it was made? Is it a pre-WW II gun? By the info. given can you tell me what grade gun this may be? I am on the hotel computer so I"ll check back, but any help is appreciated. I know a pic. is worth 1000 words. Pictures forthcoming when I get home.

thank you, redoftx.

Congratulations! You have an extraordinary shotgun. I have #3494 which is also a Diamond Quality and configured very similar to yours. Ken Georgi is the current keeper of the Daly records (I think he is the third). Hopefully he will chime in shortly. Using the A&D brevete and the serial number he was able date my gun to be circa 1885-1887. Assuming that Lindner made 100-125 guns a year (estimated production capacity of his work shop), your gun should be a year earlier..1884-1886. I also have #3070 which we dated to about 1880, quite early for a hammerless Daly. The actual Lindner production records are lost, so what Ken has to work with is an accumulaton of data provided over the years by Daly owners.
The markings on the barrels just ahead of the flats should be crossed pistols and a crown. That was the Lindner mark until 1892. The forearm lug should be about twice as wide as a normal lug. This is another unique Lindner characteristic.
Kindest regards,
Jon

Wow. Thank you Jon. I had no idea of what I have. Yes they are faint, but the proofs are crossed pistols and a crown.

Did Linder build these shotguns complete? Do you know who did the engraving? Or was Linder the engraver? Just trying to learn.

thank you, robert.

The barrels should look like this Toncin pattern - in browned





Black & white

I have 3262. Lindner stamped and Charles Daly imported. Barrels are as Drew has posted examples of. Ken estimated the date of manufacture to be about 1885. The only varience I can see is the tear drops are of inlaid horn. Is your grip cap horn? Beautiful guns.

Clearly beautiful damascus. C'mon guys, give an ignorant soul some idea as to value on an item like that. Barrels don't appear chopper lump. Dovetailed?? Thx.

Hello. I am posting this morning before my meetings. Cary, my shotgun does not have a grip cap. It is rounded pistol grip. The buttplate and forend tip are horn though.

I only wish my barrels were as pretty a Drew's pictures. The barrels will need attention on this shotgun I purchased yesterday.

Does the "LE" stand for Linder? Are those his initials? Just trying to learn.

thanks, redoftx.

No. Lindner was HAL. The crossed pistols were his halmark. Don't have time to look it up right now but the late John Mann wrote an article in the Double Gun Journal about Lindner and went into great detail about his markings. Maybe some one else can give you a reference while I'm gone. All the Lindner experts have passed away except Ken. Shame on so many levels. Maybe Daryll?

Look up Daly and Lindner in the Double Gun Digest "Index and Reader" Volumes 1 and 2, for articles about these guns. Also use the search function on this forum to find pictures of the astounding Doug Mann restoration Lindner that is in your serial number range. Neither Doug nor I still own this gun we once owned, but the present owner has posted pictures here in the past and may post recent pictures for you.

Thanks to all who have posted thus far. Eightbore, I took your advice and searched 'Linder' on this forum. I learned 'Linder and Lindner' are easily confused. I caught a posting from 2009 about original barrel colors. 17 pages worth. Thank to all who contributed on that thread. I found it most entertaining to read. ellenbr ( raimey ), man you are a walking encyclopedia on proofs and letter markings on barrels. Thank you for your contributions to this doublegun forum. As I read through all those pages, I was a little disheartened to learn that no one knows who "LE" was b/c that's the initials on my barrels.

In my previous post, I mentioned the barrels. Well, some ding-dong who had the gun before me blued the barrels. They completely covered over the damascus pattern. It looks like it was blued about 3 or 4 times. Man is it thick. I could still make out the top rib inscriptions though. That's how I was able to post the info. in the original posting. I only hope that a good barrel re-finisher can get rid of the blue and bring out the damascus pattern again. I hope there's pattern left. Inside the bores are fine. The barrels also rang like a church bell, both barrels, up and down. So I hope the ribs are still okay. So be forewarned, in the upcoming pics. when I get home, the barrels will be uuuuuugly. but they will be attended to in short order. Next time I post on this thread will be when you guys see pictures.

thanks for the replies, and knowledge exchanged.

redoftx.