I'm sure that the 'Serious Collector' who wants the Box of shells' with Freds Foto on the lid, must have seen the Summer 2006,Volume 13 Issue 2,The Parker Pages,Page 18? Excellent Photo of Gilbert with a Parker Shotgun.Would go well with the S/S/M artical on the BH 12b that was built for Fred in Jan 1896.I think the Stock Dims. guessed at by the "Writers" of the artical in P/Pages,differ from the Order for 'His"BH Pigeon/ Trap Gun that are in the Order Book. I set one of my TRY-Guns to the 3.3/8ths @ heel with a 13.3/4" length of pull....He does'nt look like a 'Sumo Wrestler' in the Photo!!Gunshop Humor.....cc