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Owd Alex was kept busy enough with his famous single-shot rifles,
I've had a Alex Henry ble - right out of the Brummie trade alright.
If I were to take up chasin' the stags, it'd be with a Henry rifle - don't think the shops are comparable tho.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
My friend has an Alex Henry that looks to be it's twin could it be built by Alex Henry ?


You will see this often with British guns. Rocketman is on the right general trail. When the two guns in question are from well known London or provincial makers, it usually means that they were "bought in" from the same trade maker. This was an extremely common practice in the British trade, and ranged from parts as Rocketman suggests, to complete guns and rifles, ready for sale. The latter was a much more common practice than conventional wisdom has it.

I've been researching the Birmingham trade makers for some years. Although my research is concentrated on double rifles, it's still illustrative. In my database, I have two double rifles, one from Gibbs and the other from Henry. These rifles are identical except for caliber. Both are Webley PHV-1 Models, and both bear Webley serial numbers from the same period on the barrels. Also, both guns were clearly finished by Webley, not the retailers.

Gibbs generally numbered those guns built for them by others with a "B" prefix, but this is not entirely reliable. I've found "bought in" guns in the general numbering system as well.


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Mysteries of the B'ham trade - never seem to end.
The who, may never be known......for sure!

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The gun does have a prefex before the number. I couldn't make it out after looking again I'm sure it's a 'B'.

Mysteries of the Birmingham trade will always be there...You think it was a London Cover-up Lowell ?

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
The gun does have a prefex before the number. I couldn't make it out after looking again I'm sure it's a 'B'.


The B prefix was for guns made for Gibbs partially or entirely by other gunmakers. Original proof marks are Birmingham, 1887 rule. So, with a B prefix number, this gun was almost certainly sourced from a trade maker in Brum. That's probably why the Henry is a ringer. They could easily have come from the same source.

Look on the fore-end loop or around it ( lower rib between the loop and the flats, bottom of the barrels, etc.) for a non-matching number. When the trade makers assigned their own serial number to a gun built for someone else (not all of them did so) this is usually where they put it.


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No j0e, not a London cover-up, nor an Edinburgh cover-up.
...but it does sound very much like a Birmingham who-dun-it!
Did you send it back?

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It found a home.

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In your house, good ol' j0e?

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I'm keeping it in the trailer with the rest of my jUnk Birmingham guns.

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Ahhhhh, the one in the background of your hen turkey picture?
joE, an old ice box can make a pretty fine guncabinet - keeps them crawly things outta the lockworks.

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