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MarketHunter #249167 10/24/11 03:47 PM
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Actually, meinen fettig fruend-- like the late writer Ernest Hemingway- I prefer to stand at the computer typewriter keyboard thingy from the Dell lads-In your case, I can understand why you prefer to remain seated-- Any gripe you have or may have had with the esteemed Mr. Hurst is NOT matter for airing on ANY public venue forum- if you had any class, you would have known that, and discussed your complaints directly- mano a mano- with Ken, instead of taking your usual 'cheap shots" at folks you seem to dislike here on the YeeOldeGunShoppeForum--grow up!!


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re-read my post, please
No where did I mention Ken ,nor have I so far opined my thoughts on his worth as an engraver,just commented on what the previous poster said .
So fux off pal
I am done with this.. I'm sure you will have the last word...however hard it is to understand.
Would you really want that on any of your trigger guards?

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Runs,

If you'd actually read the original posts, meine verrückte freundin, you'd see I've tried on numerous occasions to speak with Hurst "mano a mano" about the matter. Through the US Mail, through email, and through the telephone. All with no response whatsoever.

You say he's your boon companion, have you ever met him? My guess is when somebody replies to one of your long insane emails then you consider them your bestest pal and that's your sum total basis for friendship with Hurst.


DLH

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Sam Ogle #249193 10/24/11 07:40 PM
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Actually I appreciate this discussion, minus the personal stuff, because I appreciate others' input on the artisans I might consider using for my next project. I especially appreciate the posting of the photographs of the engraving. The style would not be something I would want on one of my projects but it is certainly not unattractive. When making decisions on how to spend what can be thousands of dollars on a pet project, input from others in invaluable. Style, fees, wait time and communication are things I want to know before I hire an engraver, smith or stock bender/maker. I will say that relating honest experiences with artisans should not attract the personal attacks that are evident here. This is a business with often involves large expenditures and friendship should not be a large factor in the choice of people to use.

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Originally Posted By: Bob Blair
Actually I appreciate this discussion, minus the personal stuff, because I appreciate others' input on the artisans I might consider using for my next project. I especially appreciate the posting of the photographs of the engraving. The style would not be something I would want on one of my projects but it is certainly not unattractive. When making decisions on how to spend what can be thousands of dollars on a pet project, input from others in invaluable. Style, fees, wait time and communication are things I want to know before I hire an engraver, smith or stock bender/maker. I will say that relating honest experiences with artisans should not attract the personal attacks that are evident here. This is a business with often involves large expenditures and friendship should not be a large factor in the choice of people to use.


What he said.


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Me too.

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Originally Posted By: Bob Blair
Actually I appreciate this discussion, minus the personal stuff. I will say that relating honest experiences with artisans should not attract the personal attacks that are evident here. This is a business with often involves large expenditures and friendship should not be a large factor in the choice of people to use.


The above quote is so true. The discussion should never have turned into a name calling brawl and deluge of insults.

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I'll relate my experience with Mr. Hurst on a Cogswell & Harrison restoration project that I did a few years ago. This was during Ken's "heyday" when he was posting alot, maybe around 2004-05 time frame. I contacted him to recut the engraving on the floor plate, trigger guard, forend escutcheon, and left it up to him to cut a couple scrolls on the heel and toe plates that were made for the new stock the gun received. The engraving on the gun was not fancy at all, definately not best quality english scrolls, just stuff that you find on a mid level Coggie Avant Tout. When Ken got the parts from the stockmaker, we talked, I told him what I wanted and he told me that it wouldnt take anytime at all, the engraving was rather simple and he'd have it knocked out very quickly.
He gave me a estimate over the phone for around $300. About a month later, he calls me and tells me its all done but the bill is now $500+. Geez O' peet. It was more difficult than it seemed, yada yada yada. I paid the bill and the parts were sent to a finisher (Classic Guns Inc.).
When the stockmaker got the parts back he called me and asked me what I had the engraver do (He knows Mr. Hurst as well, has seen many of his engraved Colts), He told me that it didnt look like he did much of anything. Oh well, I told hiim to just put the gun together and send it to me, I'll see what it looks like.
When I got the gun in hand about a week later....I was less than impressed with the recut. The cuts were very shallow, the number on the trigger guard barely visible, some of the scrolls looked as if you could erase them with a pencil eraser. I was not happy for what I paid the man to accomplish. The engraving he put on the heel and toe plates were little squiglys, I wouldnt even call them scrolls.
I know Ken does good work, I've seen it, but like most artist, he has a style all into his own. His big swooping scrolls may do it for some people, others might not think they are so hot. The work he did for me, for what he charged was not satisfactory. I've seen other guns that Ken has engraved for people and they have turned out very nice. I believe it all has to do with the "style". If I had another project, I am better informed now, know the styles I like, and I have found other engravers that can make me happy.
Talking on the phone with Ken, he is a gentleman, fun and easy to talk with, it always reminded me of talking to a mix of Foghorn Leghorn and Colonel Sanders. He would crack me up. I like the guy as a person, no doubt about it.
He engraved a couple of pins that I had made for a shotgun (I didnt send him the work, the maker of the pins uses Ken as a engraver) and they turned out fantastic. I know pins cant be compared to a whole gun, but the work was very satisfactory there.

I hope this helps and I hope that I presented my experience in a fashion that its more educational than a complete tear down of a man and his lively hood. I mean no ill will twards Mr. Hurts.

I will post a couple of pics, they are not of good quality and you can judge for yourself.

Dustin


Not a great pic, but the depth of the engraving was not what it should be, in hand, it looked "etched" on. The egdes of the cuts were not sharp. Classic Guns Inc. blued the parts as they were received, as Ken polishes as he engraves. They did no further polishing.


Again, not a great pic, but you get the idea. Same thing here, the engraving was almost like "scratching", it was not deep, almost reminded me of a first generation Fox A-grade with the border engraving that looks like it was done with a nail, just barely scratched in the metal.

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I was told by Ken that his back was in too bad of shape to finish my gun, now I hear that he is still accepting commissions??? Something doesn't add up.


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