October
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Who's Online Now
3 members (Marks_21, Carcano, SKB), 487 guests, and 3 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics39,502
Posts562,138
Members14,587
Most Online9,918
Jul 28th, 2025
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 239
Sidelock
***
OP Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 239
...and while we're at; just what is the origin of the term "water table" with respect to double guns?

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,759
Likes: 460
Sidelock
***
Online Content
Sidelock
***

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,759
Likes: 460
There was a long thread with several opinions April 2011; here was mine

We colonials had a bit of a spat with one of the four King Georges, but were and remain enamored of Georgian Architecture.



The watertable is a stringcourse designed to deflect rain from the foundation

http://books.google.com/books?id=J98FAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA137&lpg



Several examples here.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8roaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PT49&lpg

http://www.classicarchitecturalconceptstone.com/images/profiles/watertables.htm

The Round-Over Chamfer and Ogee are most similar to a receiver held butt down



I think Chuck H. had a bit more logical engineering explaination

Last edited by Drew Hause; 10/19/11 10:03 PM.
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,227
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,227
Either one....I know exactly what you're talking about.


Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 104
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 104
You call it what you like. I and all the British will continue to use the correct treminology and refer to both the barrel and action flats . As far as I am concerned the "water table" is the depth that ground water rises to.

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743
While we're on terminology I & the British will continue to refer to cuttin off a set of bbls, boring out the chambers & inserting new tubes as "Sleeving", not Monoblocking.


Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,572
Likes: 165
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,572
Likes: 165
Originally Posted By: 2-piper
While we're on terminology I & the British will continue to refer to cuttin off a set of bbls, boring out the chambers & inserting new tubes as "Sleeving", not Monoblocking.


Seems to me that depends on whether you're building a gun from scratch or restoring one with trashed barrels. Best to use "monoblocking" for the former and "sleeving" for the latter, to make the distinction clear.

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 364
Sidelock
*
Offline
Sidelock
*

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 364
The Brits have lots of weird names for things. "Whilst" we call it a screwdriver they call it a "turnscrew". They call chips "crisps" and french fries "chips". Can you believe it? Worst of all they call cockney stinking eel pie "food". I could go on and on but what good would it do? They won't change, totally ass backward.
nial

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 104
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 104
Piper we actualy agre on something!! nialmac ,please dont critisise "cockney cuisene". They dont know any better so we let them think they have a culture. As to food you Americans are not innocent .
But back to the track ,jargon is a verbal short hand used bypeople in a trade to speed communication . It can and is used to exclude outsiders. As in America you never had a center of gunmaking as Birmingham or Liege and it would appear that your gunmaking tradions are morer Eurpoean derived than British.As a concequence your terminologey will differ from that we in the UK use. Added to this writers have frequently used incorrect terms that have passed into accepted usage. I will never call flats a water table , but as long as we both understand what the other is saying ,we must agree to differ.
Whilst on the subject ,when did cartridge cases become "hulls" ?

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,292
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,292
Originally Posted By: gunman
Whilst on the subject ,when did cartridge cases become "hulls" ?


Almost all modern shotgun shells are made from some type of plastic material, something introduced to the world by Remington in about 1958..(USA).....Most plastic shotgun shells have metal heads, of either brass or brass plated steel, although a few have marketed all plastic shells without this feature......... Plastic shotshells are made by either injection molding or compression molding or some variation thereof.........The compression process was developed by Winchester-Western (USA) and produces the toughest and most durable one PIECE HULLS, something of great value to handloaders.......

Paper empty cases were called tubes once upon a time....with the advent of plastic ONE PIECE in the 1950's, they have been called hulls........

According to **Cartridges for Collectors, July 1958, Borden Publishing by Fred A. Datig...All American, British and Germans refer to brass center, pin or rim fire AMMUNITION for rifle and pistol as cartridges....shot shell empty cases are referred to as hulls..........

Most likely the nomenclature of "cartridge" for shot shells died sometime in the 1800's when all brass shot shells died out as factory loaded ammunition with black powder.......the less accurate caliber designation died as well about the same time, replaced by gauge which is a more accurate description for shotguns.

You may also use **Cartridges of the World as a reference for more detailed information on this subject......1965 1st Edition by Frank C. Barnes.....USA Library of Congress card 65-16729

*-In guns, caliber or calibre is the approximate internal diameter of the barrel in relation to the extension of the projectile used in it.....
Shotguns are classed according to gauge, a related expression. The gauge of a shotgun refers to 'how many' lead spheres the diameter of the bore would equal a pound. In the case of a 12 gauge shotgun, it would take 12 spheres the diameter of the shotgun's bore to equal a pound. A numerically larger gauge indicates a smaller barrel. This metric is used in Russia as the 'caliber number': e.g., "shotgun of the twelve caliber". The "sixteenth" caliber is known as "lordly" (Russia). While shotgun bores can be expressed in calibers, the nature of 'shotshells' is such that the barrel diameter often varies significantly down to the length of the shotgun barrel, with various levels of choke and backboring.......



16 Grand Prix.....

12 Alpha Max Eley's.....


Cheers,


Doug



Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,227
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,227



from Merriam-Webster,

Related to HULL

Synonyms: armor, capsule, casing, cocoon, cover, covering, encasement, housing, 1case, husk, jacket, pod, sheath, shell



Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2024 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.161s Queries: 35 (0.137s) Memory: 0.8536 MB (Peak: 1.9010 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2025-10-11 19:25:46 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS