I have used a lot of "hevishot" loads, not in the "Classic" loading, it seems (seat of the pants) very impressive. Depending on how the geese are working that day, I will either use steel bargain price #3's or hevishot. I have seen several less tha favorable comments on the "Classic" loading but have no experience with it. I will say that 3 1/2 10 bore loads "Hevishot" kill geese a long way out...just like back in the day...Steel 3's for ducks...