The grouse are pretty tame. When we can find some down here we have had to throw rocks at them to get them to flush. The Ptarmigan are up high. If you have a plane that can take you there it's nice shooting. If no plane not so good. I walked 2.5 hours one way once just to get into 2 coveys, 2 times each. got 3 birds and had to walk 2.5 hours back down to the car. I'm getting too old for that.