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Chuck;
A perfectly fine Glossary already exists, far better than anything I could write up. It is readily available on the home page & presented by HallowellCo. I quote their definition of MonoBlock;
Monoblock barrels - A method of building a pair of barrels where the entire breech end of both barrels and the lumps together are machined from one solid piece of steel. The barrel tubes are then fitted separately into this monoblock and the ribs attached. Often identifiable by a distinctive ring around the barrels about three inches in front of the breech end. The favored jointing method of the Beretta company. ""An incorrect euphemism for sleeved barrels"".
I added the quotes. My first short post was not really intrusive on the thread, & quite suffecient for anyone who cares. The "Arguments" arose from those who obviously Don't. Miller, You are persistant, but I think you'll be unsuccessful in changing the use or what you call misuse of the term.
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Chuck and Miller: The two of you know more about these guns than many of us on this forum can only dream about knowing and you both are superb contributors. But as an outsider looking in and as someone whose knowledge pales in comparison I can tell you both that you are getting ticked with one another over next to nothing. Discussion and disagreement and correction on these issue are what makes this forum interesting and an environment for learning what we are all very interested in.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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... But as an outsider looking in and as someone whose knowledge pales in comparison I can tell you both that you are getting ticked with one another over next to nothing. .... There's an old saying that the intensity of the argument varies in inverse proportion to the stakes involved.
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My good friend John Foster ,who many of you know of for high quality sleeving ,just refers to the cut off barrels as the " back ends".A term that is used extensively in the UK trade that fits the bill. It may be of historical note that the man accredited with "inventing" sleeving in the UK Chris Ashthorpe disgusted at the price of a refit, decided to sleeve a pair of barrels as he had a Belgian gun built on a monoblock he could see no reason why it could not be done to an existing pair of barrels. He then had a considerable fight with the proof authorities, to get them to accept it. In the early days, some of the Birmingham trade referred to them as being trouser legged.
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Sidelock
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I have a Lang trigger plate 12 bore, beautifully engraved with the smallest and finest engraving you ever saw. The barrels are beyond redempion. I have a set of really nice Belgian twist barrels on a 12 bore I was considering to sleeve on the Lang stubs. I discussed this with Hugh Lomas and I will send the Lang and the Belgian twist barrels to him and he will see if he can do this, if the Belgian barrels are sound enough. They are really nice barrels
This appeals more to me than having the Lang sleeved with common old steel tubes.
Intersting proposition, eh?
Mike Bill Wise did this with a beautiful old Purdey hammergun. Damascus tubes sleeved to damascus breech. The patterns were so close, it was nearly impossible to see it had been done.
Mike
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I think a Glossary here on the site would be a great aid to newcomers..stick it up with joe's photo primer. But I'd hate to write it up myself, I'd be a sitting duck for flame  Perhaps Hallowells is good enough, eh? Franc
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