doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Is there anything like compulsory treatment in US?

The unfortunate is taken to small basement room with drain in middle of the floor and gets one from behind in back of the head. Certain shot angle is preferred as it prevents blood from coming back at the shooter.

Yes Mike:

And due to the court rulings this is the end result. Nutjobs like Jared Loughner can't be institionalized until they commit some horrific crime like killing and wounding several people.
Ironically the very organization that argued vehemantly for their release out on to the streets from mental institutions is also one of the strongest proponents/advocates of stringent gun control I'm speaking of course of the ACLU.
I think most of the membership here take the gun torchers opinions with a grain of salt. I frankly think he's more a danger to himself than anyone else.


Jim

Sorry Geno, but what is strange about what Larry "talks"? Could you elaborate.
(It will surely be OT.)

JC

The fact of the matter is that Loughner's family was trying to get him some sort of mental evaluation or treatment because they were concerned he might be dangerous, but because of budget cuts (forced by the taxes-can-only-be-cut crowd) there were none to be found. It would be ironic if there weren't dead and wounded involved.

And, before one goes too hard on any organization that advocates against, say, involuntary committments, consider this: what standard would you set for deciding someone should be involuntarily committed, if not one where the person is adjudged (on the basis of medical evidence presented in open court) to be an imminent danger to himself or others?

Keeping in mind, of course, that the ATF form you fill out every time you buy a gun asks whether you have ever been involuntarily committed or adjudged a mental incompetent, and tends strongly to disqualify any person answering "yes" from completing the transaction....

Well, I don't think we have the last word on Ed the torch anyway. It's up to Dave. It may end up being some kind of compulsory labotomy for Ed. Right now, "...it's medication time..." for Ed. R.P. McMurphy stirred the pot and look what it got him.

The fact of the matter is that Loughner's family was trying to get him some sort of mental evaluation or treatment because they were concerned he might be dangerous, but because of budget cuts (forced by the taxes-can-only-be-cut crowd) there were none to be found.


Since when does responsibility for such a need for mental evaluation belong solely to the government (any branch)? Seems to me the Loughners might have wanted to pay for this evaluation out of their own pockets if no gov program was available; don't blame them for looking for gov money, but, somewhere along the line, this becomes family responsibility.

One of but a few things I've seen you post I whole heartedly agree with you on. Good one Dave. How'd you like to be R.P. McMurphy and have someone say you need to go to an institution and get meds and electric shock treatment because you hoard guns and that is abnormal to a liberal Democrat Judge?

Come on Chuck. While I agree with you about the Liberal Judges what you've posted is shades of the novel "1984". I personally don't think that this type of behavior would be tolerated today.
As far as judges go; We clearly have four on the Supreme Court who can't or won't read,are incapable of understanding or interpreting the Bill of Rights and are legislating from the bench which is clearly in violation of the Constitution.
Jim

Jim,
Decades ago, I was around some of this type of involuntary committment with a family member. Not pretty stuff and I recall visiting at least two or three "facilities" of the state. They made the place in "Cuckoos Nest" seem like summer camp. F#*K!n scary stuff. So help me, I'll never forget that stuff as long as I live. And I was just a visitor in the areas they let visitors. So, I believe it's possible it would be tolerated.

Chuck:
I had three (aunts), fathers side of family, that were institionalized for brief periods and while it wasn't pleasant according to them as near as I can tell they recovered and all led very long lives. I am well aware of what it was like in one of these institutions from talking to them.
Due to the fact that I live in Arizona we have a lot of "Homeless" people during the Winter months. Several of them hung out in the area where I had my business. None of the ones I came into contact with IMO should have been out on the street if for no other reason than their own protection and well being.

Here's the particulars as they relate to Loughner:

"Despite evidence that Arizona shooting suspect Jared Loughner is mentally unstable, he was never declared mentally unfit by a court, so his name did not appear in the federal background-check database used by gun sellers."
Jim