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Derrick......Guess I am the only one that discards my Federal papers after 2 or 3 reloads; because the primer pockets get so loose I can I can deprime with a thumbnail, and re-prime with light finger pressure.......Not from hull burn through. Actually the primer pockets get so loose that the primers may fall out moving the shell between stations on the reloader. Makes a real mess, what with the powder running out all over....
But I put up with a coupla' reloads per hull.....'Cause there is nothing quite like a paper shell in an old double. Grant.

I use a SO wad, 17 grains of red dot and 1 ounce of shot. I use the first reload in matches and then only reload non pin holed hulls for practice. Soft shooting!
bill

Researcher, The Lachmiller de-primer/resizer is yet another option, it is spring loaded and really sets the base wad down hard and the collet gives it a kinda crimp too. I have used them for years, but it won't melt the wax as it is purely mechanical.

Had a friend's dad that had one of the electrical units, can't recall who made it. Never could tell that the heating element extended the case life even one extra reload, but my observation was a while ago and if my memory were all that good I'd remember who made the one he had.

Anyone out there with a definitive answer?

FWIW, I always thot the Winchester paper hulls had less wax in them .. they always seemed a lot more prone to swelling if they ever got wet or just degradation & deteriation if stored for any length of time waiting to be reloaded. Federal papers never exhibited that trait.

I still load some of those multi stack card, felt, cork wad columns and some of the Ljutic Mono-wads as well. The latter when loaded in a AA case, old or new will stretch it at the mouth like you wouldn't believe. One reload with a Mono-wad in a plastic case and discard it. The case brand makes no dif, does the same thing with any plastic hull. Anyone that questions their ability to obturate in the hull need not fear, but behind a long forcing cone or overbored bbl. its bloopers. Old short forcing cones and tight bores, never a problem.

I have one of those "case conditioners", though I think it came from Lachmiller(BICBW). A friend gave it to me. It does as promised.

i have been using my herters conditioner for years and it makes the mouths last a bit longer. i can get 5 or 6 loadings out of them.but i have limited the powder to 18.5 gr.of red dot..
reseacher, my dad used to load with 23 gr.of red dot and he was using a jc higgins pump that was plenty heave and i had a sinle barrel..man did those do my shoulder a job..nice and purple after a day of dove hunting ..tony

Several different case conitioners were popular way back when. I had a Hereters, made a home made one out of an old electric soldering iron and remember one or tw others brands. One old one was a Forster-Appelt Therm-Matic case mouth conditioner. Last year there was one seller on Ebay that was making them and selling them on Ebay. He offered several different gauges.

I use to keep a pot of wax melting and would dip the hull end in it and remelt the new wax on the old Winchesters. It improved them a lot. Your observation about lack of wax in the Winchester is true from all those I have loaded. Still it was hard to get more than 3-4 loads per hull. But there were good looking loads and that was all we had to use back then.

I have reloaded a few paper hulls before but I never liked the crimp. You just don't get a nice perfect crimp with a paper hull. At least I never could. Plus they burn out too fast as someone mentioned. Good luck.

TW, Funny you should mention a hull iron. Came across this yesterday while rootin around in ebay. Bob
HULL IRON

Thanks for all the reply's. Im looking to load these to shoot in my 1890 GH grade Damascus Parker. I don't shoot her often enough and I found a load that I can use with my existing components to a low enough pressure in a 1 oz load.

It seems several of you are using Red Dot. Thats a fairly hot powder isn't it?

Derrick

you can use universal clays or 700X it seems to be some what cleaner burning and not as stout a loading ..tony