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Originally Posted By: ed good
where are the orange hats, blue jeans an pick up trucks? an how come no pitchers of pump guns and auto loaders?

also, did you shoot dem funny lookin birds on the ground? or did you jump up out of yo fox hole an shoot em as they flew by, scared half to death by some wogs beating on pots an pans wid ah spoon?

yo dogs are nice. do any of em tree coons or possums?


Dear, oh dear, oh dear,

Ed your knowledge of British Upland Game shooting is as sadly lacking as your knowledge on Colour Case Hardening. Please let me elucidate.

We don't wear Orange Hats or any other bright colours, they stand out in the sombre colours of the moorlands, anyway we have no need for them, we know the difference between a human being and a flying Grouse. Similarly our farmers don't have to paint 'Cow' on the side of their livestock during the deer hunting season. We know the differences, between two and four legged mammals.

Blue jeans are not worn as they are useless pieces of apparell, they are not hardwearing or waterproof and they absorb moisture very readily leading to chills and possible hypothermia. We dress according to the weather and in suitable clothes and colours that blend in with the surrounding countryside. Hence the popularity of Thornproof Tweeds and Barbour waxed jackets and leggings. Above all it's sensible clothing for the climatic conditions met with in the uplands.

Pump and self loading shotguns are restricted here to a total of three rounds maximum by Law, but neither are seen very often, we are game bird shooting, not trying to knock down an incoming enemy bomber. We do not feel the need for heavy anti aircraft fire. We like to give our birds at least a sporting chance of getting away. I have never found either of these guns to balance like a double barrelled shotgun. The traditional shotgun for this form of shooting is the side by side, although a few over and unders are seen.

As for pick up trucks, well there are some on most shooting estates and are used to transport both shooters and beaters to their respective places on the moor, they are also used for delivering hampers of food for the mid day meals again for both parties involved, also carrying spare ammunition, and the birds that are shot etc. Some of the earlier pictures in this thread show the best vehicles for moorland, these have six or eight wheels and are specifically designed for operation on boggy land where 4x4's would readily get bogged down to their axles, the balloon like types float over very wet ground with ease.

Grouse are always shot in flight and that in itself is difficult enough. Yes, we use shooting butts usually one gun or two guns per position with perhaps a loader to assist. These serve two purposes, one to give shelter from the worst of the weather during the often hour or so, before the first birds arrive and secondly to give some concealment, people standing in a line over perhaps two or three hundred yards would stand out and the birds would turn away well out of gun range, The grouse fly low and very fast just like the RAF and NATO fighters that use these areas for low level training.

Finally the Beaters cannot be described as Wogs, as you so succinctly put it (Accronym, for 'Worthy Oriental Gentlemen' dating from WW1) The beaters are invariably local people and often of some of high social rank, beating isn't just confined to the peasantry don't you know. Beaters usually carry sticks to 'beat the heather' to put up the birds. At each end of the beaters line there is usually a 'flag man' to tries to turn birds flying off to the side, back towards the guns. Oddly enough, in all the years I have spent on Moorland (over 50 of them) I have yet to meet any coloured man from anywhere in the world either shooting, hill walking, rock climbing or mountaineering, the great British outdoors seems to hold something that they all apparently fear. We have no 'Coons or Possum' in Britain unless they are escaped pets. Therefore nearly all our shooters have dogs that are trained for Bird hunting and/or retrieving. I do hope this information proves edifying.

Harry


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harry: most ed ifying... thank you for your wonderful verbal portrait of british upland game shooting...and thank you for your patience in taking the time to respond in such a gentlemanly fashion to my rather crude attempt at tongue in cheek humor.


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On the subject of Beaters and pickers up. On one shoot I go on I can think of one retired Headmaster, one Professor of Mathematics, two university lecturers (husband & wife) in geology, a retired Engineer, a Veterinary surgeon (female and quite attractive too) and of course your's truely. Quite an eclectic mix.

Heather burning is hard, hot and dirty work as I can attest. First it has to be a fine day for the heather to be dry enough, you have to wear thick clothing to protect the skin from the heat of the fire. First ascertain the direction of the wind and start a small fire about 200 to 300 yards from a stream. Once you have started the fire then go like crazy trying to beat it out wondering why on earth you started it in the first place. By now you have a conflagration about thirty yards wide and going at a brisk walking pace. I use an aluminium shovel to beat with, some use a long pole with a length of broad rubber belting and some use a sort of Witch's broom known as a Besom. Work like crazy and just about have it under control by the time the stream is reached and pray that it doesn't jump it. Have a quick rest and a drink of water and then repeat the process. One strange thing is a fire will continue to burn after the sun has gone down if it was lit before but it is near impossible to start a new fire after the sun is down and the dew comes in. At the end of the day you are worn out, black faced and with hair that is like wire wool from the smoke and sweat and smell like a smoked kipper. Great exercise workout. Lagopus.....

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Exellent stories and pics, but long time ago
I put hunting Britain in unwish list for the prices.
The grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Allways.
These couple of photos made by my Russian acquaintance dog breeder in Canada, Alberta



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Geno, there must be some good hunting in Russia. Is it easy to get to good places and find hunting that is not too expensive? Lagopus.....

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Originally Posted By: buzz
Originally Posted By: Perry M. Kissam
Harry,
Just one question: with all the rain that you fellows "over there" alledgedly have, how the heck do you get a moor to burn?? Seriously, these photos are absolutely beautiful and make me want to visit there all the more.

Buzz,
Do you really think grouse is better tasting meat than pheasant or quail??
Perry: I really love fried quail and pheasant too. It's a very close call but my favorite is ruffed grouse. Have you ever eaten grouse?


Buzz,
No, I have never had grouse. How is it best prepared??


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You know there are a lot of very nice and very good places for hunting here, but every year prices grow up and soon probably will rich your prices or you need to go very far away, but transport expenses such as helicopter make this idea senseless.


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Originally Posted By: Harry Eales
Originally Posted By: Perry M. Kissam
Harry,
Just one question: with all the rain that you fellows "over there" alledgedly have, how the heck do you get a moor to burn??


Perry,

Heather dries out very quickly, the stems being very woody and the heat generated usually scorches the other plants until they too are dry enough to ignite. The top foliage stays on the plant in the Autumn, but as all the nutrition has been taken down into the roots by the plant the foliage has also dried out and is very easily ignited.

The trick is not to get it too hot as the underlying peat may catch fire and then you have a real problem putting it out. In County Durham the moors are over very thin peat, with glacial clay beneath that. In Northumberland some of the underlying peat can be upto 30 feet in depth. Some of the best peat bogs in the world are in Britain, many have moorland vegetation growing on top of them. Burning is a skill and like many country crafts still in use, the secrets of doing it successfully take a long time to learn. I'm happy top leave it to the experts. Without correct moorland management the Grouse would soon become extinct.

Harry


Fascinating!! Thanks for the education Harry.


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