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stallones: as you mentioned in a previous thread, you do re case hardening of shotgun receivers. it would be most educational, if you would refer us to some pictures of your best work. i would be particularly interested in pictures of any 19th century vintage parker shotgun receivers that you have re case hardened...i promise not to denegrate your work, as that services no positive purpose.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Are you crazy, or just stupid?? Your attempts at justifying your treatment of shotgun receivers are reprehensible in either case. You obviously don't have a clue, and your incessant trolling is indeed becoming tiresome. When you take the time to learn the craft and can contribute meaningful insight into color case hardening maybe then I'll revise my opinion of you and your "techniques". You have taken chicanery to a new level, and I pity the folks you have bamboozled.
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Very easy to determine the heat used on the example, as the colors are simple steel temper colors (the Tincture of Benzoin produces no colors, only acts as a protective barrier for oxidation).
The straw/tan/bronze colors fond on the receiver means that that portion of the receiver was heated to 460-500. Purples occur at temps 530-550 deg F, blues 560-630 deg F, and Reds 1000+ deg F.
There is also a corresponding change in Rockwell hardness associated with these temperatures, as great as 20 points on the Rockwell scale.
So this so called “Low heat “ process is really not all that low of a heat, and yes, it does change the hardness of the underlying steel.
The really scary part is that since its done is spots, the hardness is not uniform across the surface like you would find in true Case Hardening
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Mike a very sensible post. Bravo!
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Ed,
Those who appreciate vintage guns are clearly appalled by your attempts to justify your ruination of fine old guns! Your pathetic attempt to make money by selling those torch jobs is fraud.
Get a job, save a gun!
Last edited by MarkOue; 08/16/11 12:20 PM.
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This is a tiresome topic to see over and over again.
Put aside Ed's methods and weither they are safe or not... torch jobs just don't even look right at all!
In my opinion, it is better to leave an old bare receiver alone then do that.
Granted, a lot of legitimate re-color case hardening does not always yield results that are identical to when the gun was new in regards to appearance, but at least it looks like a proper color case hardened finish.
The torch jobs just do not give the right look. But they sure are colorful.
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Kinda looks like a bum wearing a pair of patent-leather shoes.
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Dittos on the great post, Mike Hunter. We who come here for information appreciate the efforts of all the knowledgeable posters here . I wouldn't expect it to stop Ed1, though.
The curse of the clear minded is that you think everyone thinks like you.
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do you have an opinion as to the origin of the case colors on the shotgun referenced in the beginning of this thread? Cyanide CCH............ ------------------------------------- Good Post Mike Hunter....!.... -------------------------------------
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Maybe we will all get lucky and Ed Good will talk Ed Landers (if he actually exists) into using cyanide case coloring. Hopefully they will be in an enclosed, unventilated area when they begin the process.
It would be the single greatest accomplishment to save the remaining vintage guns out there.
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