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Marcus, I think the literature I've seen indicates that the Red Wolf itself is genetically a cross between the 'yote and the Gray Wolf...Geo

OK Larry Brown, you and Michael McIntosh and the members of this forum have almost and practically convinced me that cylinder or something thereabouts is ideal for our first barrel for upland hunting.....especially with the advent of new high quality shotgun shells. Now, what in your opinion is our best choke for our 2nd barrel? In other words, what yardage do you think the second shot is most likely taken and which choke is best for that given yardage, if any? Thx. Buzz

Difficult question, Buzz--because I don't necessarily regard the 2nd barrel as only a 2nd shot option. If I'm hunting pheasants or prairie grouse (especially later in the season), I may want a pretty tight 2nd barrel because I'm going to get longer shots--in which case I'll go to my back trigger on a longer range flush, immediately. (I know . . . some will counter that doing so leaves you with a very open first barrel for a followup shot. But I'm willing to live with what's essentially a single barrel in those cases, if I think most of my initial chances will be pretty close--which I do, in good bird country and with good dogs.)

If you're talking something like woodcock and and ruffed grouse, the latter especially earlier in the season when the woodcock are still around and there are quite a few leaves, I don't think you need much more in your 2nd barrel than you do in your first. And it's very seldom the case that your initial look at a ruff will be long range, unlike open country birds. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've gone to my tighter barrel for the first shot at a grouse. Pheasants, on the other hand . . . I remember a hunt a few years back where I went to the tight barrel first on 3 birds in a row.

Which only goes to show that the urge to have sex overrides the urge to eat.

SRH

Chuck, I shot a Coyote (Coydog?) up on the river a couple of years bacj with a Chow face and coloring. I showed it to the Rancher whose land I was on, he said he had a female chow that had run off and was running with that pack...so THAT one got bred , for sure....I have seen WT bucks mounting mule deer does, but it was late at night, and the bar was closing...

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid

Many animals commonly referred to as "eastern coyotes" or "northeastern coyotes" have wolf and dog genes, a larger size and a more wolf-like skull shape than other coyotes, and they are generally believed by experts to be hybrids. This has become a problem for taxonomists, as it is unclear what new taxon will be used to refer to this new population of animals.[5]

I trapped a big coyote with orange and black fur that nose-to-tail covered the top of a standard picnic table. His teeth were 1 1/2" long. I sent it with my furs to the Hudson Bay Company, one of the oldest companies on earth. My receipt said "Wolf XL" for a coyote that is common now around here. You'd think HBC would know.

King,
Did he look like this?

King, was this in recent years?

I trapped commercially for several years to supplement my farm income, back in the late '70s and early '80s. Fur prices were very strong back then, but the bottom fell out in the mid '80s and have never recovered from it. Most likely never will.

Coyotes were just moving into my area then, and I was amazed at the strength and cunning they possess. I hated to see them come into the area as I really liked trapping reds and deer hunting. Now, thanks to Ga. DNR, we are overrun with deer, and they have become a nuisance. My whole opinion of coyotes have changed. Instead of looking at them as something to be exterminated I now consider them my ally in an ongoing war against hordes of whitetails. The deer decimate my crops of peanuts and cotton in some areas, and vehicle kills are a daily occurrence on the road I live on.

What goes around comes around.

SRH

A friend has some property in Northeastern Pa. 20 years ago you could go for a ride at night with a spotlight around his area and see 50-100 deer easily. Then the coyotes came and now you would be lucky to see a third of the deer in that same area. Another big problem is the black bear, they know when the fawns are born and you can see them scouring the fields for them. This is usually just before the first hay mowing.

A coyote makes a fox look stupid.