Stan and any one else ,you can believe what you like.I have nothing more to say as I cannot get you to accept my argument. I mentioned this discussion to colleagues in the trade one H&H trained barrel maker said and I quote "Its a b....y shotgun" .Another asked if there was money to be made in writing jokes . Other comments suggested the the bloke who thought that one up needed to stop taking what ever it was he was taking.. So there we go folks . Strange though how silent one or two regular posters have been on this subject, those who have an "in" with British gun makers. Wonder why?