Too many people, without a lot of experience quote writers, as if its gospel. Like Larry I give credo to those writers who I know have a lot of time in the field and tend to ignore the types who quote statistics. Here in NW Kansas, contrary to what people tell me, most of our shots on Pheasants are pretty close. We dont "gang hunt" and do hunt over pointing dogs. We have enough birds that we dont feel compelled to shoot at the wilders. How can anyone say with authority that the average anything is killed at x yards? What kind of a sample would you have to take to prove that? With close to a million Pheasant hunters in the field in any given year, it would require a sample of what, a half million? Gimme a break...Chuck, I am breaking my wifes big Gelding to shot for you, he is already a cross country champ hunter/jumper, so if you can stay on him, you will be able to see your pointer in the distance...