Larry: I certainly don't want you to take my disagreement on this issue personally as I think a lot of you and your writing and value your opinion enormously. In terrms of the boring of these guns I think you hit the nail on the head when you said pattern each barrel with each shell. I believe barrel dynamics to be extremely complicated. NO two guns shoot alike; therefore, as you mentioned scientific patterning should take place in evaluating barrels. That's what Eyster does. They pattern guns, ream a little , then repattern hopefully with the goal of one pellet per square inch for a given yardage (approx). My point is I believe this is what should be done rather than just reaming her to cylinder and hope she shoots a good pattern at 25 yds. Also, in the thick popple I want a blunderbuss not a 20 bore when hunting Grouse. Grouse are in other places too and sometimes offer lomger shots. I know because I have spent every year of the last 20 in the Ottawa National Forest chasing these birds. Sometimes they will even fly straight down a trail.