I think Toby Barclay has hit a nerve. It is crazy for a promoter to try to kill another promoter's customer base, when all that does is throw a wrench into the vendors' as well as the customers' schedules and enjoyment. This is one situation you can't blame on Ray P. Some vendors, such as Steve Barnett, for example, would like to get the exposure offered by both events, but is prevented from doing so by the bad behavior of the new promoter. Steve is too much a man to bring that up. He had to make a choice and is forced to pick the new venue. His business sense forced this decision.