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A steal at $350....800 +/- is more like it...

If you don't want it for $350, PM me or, better, have the guy looking to sell it PM me.

I went ahead and bought it. 330 delivered. Hope to do a little bird hunting with it. it will look nice with this..
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/mto7464/custom%20mauser/

2-Piper has it right. Odds are very good, without 2 3/4" or 70MM marked somewhere, the gun has short chambers--unless they've been lengthened somewhere along the line.

mto,
Unless there is something major wrong with it you got a real bargin. If you don't reload try RST or Polywads in 2 1/2". Polywad offers a series called Doublewides which have spreader discs. Most German guns are choke pretty tight and the spreaders might be more enjoyable to shoot, i.e. you'll break more birds, clay or otherwise. If you reload you can buy just the spreader inserts.

Enjoy and post some pics when you can.

Phil

I don't think a comparison of a couple of VL&D exports/imports and a German inland is fair as well as mixing bores 12, 16 & 20. It's not comparing apples to apples. Of course the probability of a 70mm chamber in a U.S. of A. slated gun is high while that of a German inland is high for the 65mm chambers. I'm not sure when the 16X70mm came into being but I do know that many of the the early Belgian A5s were 65mm. But I can't say on the Winchester Model 1897. So for the period in question, 1912-1923, when smokeless was coming into its own, in 16 bore the 65mm was King on the continent(someone feel free to grace us with a set of proofmarks with a 16 bore with 70mm chambers from the period). If it wasn't a 70mm then the default was 65mm. Regarding the inland, 70mm stamp was typically below the calibre stamp and the cartridge had to reach the appropriate pressure. The rule was for it to be on the tube & chamber but some are seen on the extractor. By 1939 there were 2 choices regarding proof for the 16 bore, 65 and 70mm. For cartridges with a length longer than 70mm, for every 5mm there had to be add an additional 1470 psi increase. True strictly pulling out the encircled 16 would just note a bore. But the proofmarks are more of an ensemble and tell the tale. The 1st Imperial Eagle with the encircled 16 being devoid of a "70mm" stamp and a "Nitro" will note that black powder proof only for a 65mm chamber. The addition of "Eagle Nitro" and "Eagle Nitro" & "70mm" changes the tale.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Not disagreeing with what you say at all. The point is though that just the fact it has 16 in a circle does not itself indicate a 65mm chamber, this was the original statement on this. It is not that mark which indicates the 65mm chamber, but the lack of any 70mm marks would. On my VL&D/J P Sauer one has to look at the extractor to determine it was/is a 70mm chamber, simply looking at the under bbl marks do not in any reveal it, & it has 12 in a circle.

PS; 2 9/16" (65mm) was standard in the US as well for many years in the 16ga. In fact the 16 was the last of the gauges other than 28 & the .410 bore to standardize on 2 3/4". Never-the-less I have a 16ga Lefever made between 1907 & 1915 with 3" chambers. Can't prove if they are original or not, but the highest probability would say they are, as 3" 16's have never been very popular, but were available on order at the time this gun was built.

I own a circa 1906 JP Sauer und Sohn Nr 2 hammergun in 16 that is stamped 70mm - I believe it was the original chambering.

I believe it is a Nr 2 - it was the lowest grade Sauer in the catalog and lacked a crossbolt.

mto, you have done very well... Buying a quality German 16 ga. double for $330.00 is an excellent deal. It probably has more choke than necessary but that can be altered. Enjoy,good hunting.....

My 1936 Sauer is the same as 2-Piper's gun: nothing whatsoever in the proofmarks to indicate chamber length (although it is stamped Nitro), but "2 3/4 shells" stamped across the face of the extractors.