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Roger,

I wrote a letter to the engraver pushing two months ago voicing my concerns over the outcome of the project and have heard not a word from him. He's somebody everybody on here knows, that's why I'm so surprised.

Took months to complete a pretty small job that he claimed he'd have back to me in a couple weeks. Didn't do anything close to what I asked for plus added another figure that I didn't ask for. Charged a big price for a small job. I hate it so much I'm actually going to have it removed from the gun. And then the no response to my concerns just capped it off.

I'm sure he has his side to the story and I'd like to hear it. But when you write a guy a formal letter of concern and then never hear a word from him you've got to wonder.....


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Show us some pictures Destry.

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I am partial to vintage engraving. Here are some examples from Marlin Ballard rifles.




















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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Roger, you imply that guns sent to engravers are engraved "hard". However, I am led to believe that some engravers anneal shotgun receivers or have them annealed, engrave them, and then send them to be hardened. What is the real story? I am in the middle of a project right now and would like some information. Bill Murphy


Bill,

Some engravers do anneal and reharden shotgun receivers when a complete custom job is in the works especially if the parts are CCH.

Some will not anneal because they fear the liability of a change to the hardness. Most American engravers are engeged in work on revolvers and some 1911 type pistols. I don't know anyone who anneals handgun parts, especially the cylinder, slide, or barrel. The one thing that does routinly get annealed is the frame of Colt SAAs if they are color case hardened or for that matter any part that is bone charcoal hardened (not cyanide hardened). You just can't do a decent job trying to cut through CCH because the surface is too hard. If it is an old gun with all of the CCH worn off the engraver may opt to cut it as is because the CCH is only a very thin surface hardness,

The one part that I always anneal is the loading gate on stainless steel Ruger single action revolvers. They are almost diamond hard as they come from the factory and there is no good reason for it.

My comments have just touched the surface of this issue because I don't have the time to go into more detail. The thing to do is to have a clear understanding between you and your chosen engraver if he or she believes that parts need to be annealed and if so who will do it and if they need rehardening. Also what will be the costs involved.

My initial comment in this thread was meant to draw a distinction between American and UK/European engravers. The American must consider and deal with this issue whearas our foreign counterparts get most of their work in the soft state directly from the factory or gunmaker during the initial manufacturing process.

My apologies if this digression has hijacked the original point of this thread.

Cheers,

Roger


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Whether you see it as old fashioned and stylized or not, I am very partial to the right lockplate on this 1886 AA Lefever:



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Nothing like English Vintage

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"American animals were mostly so poorly done as to be laughable".

You have to look at the right guns to see quality work. I think the 1890s and into the early 1900s engraving of scroll and animals was very well done as the following pictures show of my favorite American classic.







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Just like a kid, I have to show everyone what I have learned. I could not figure out how to post pictures on this forum, instead of links, until I read Joe Wood's posting under FAQs.

Thank you Joe,
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IMHO the pre-war German engraving was excellent, and perhaps in part because of a lower labor cost allowing more work to be done. And I like it deep! Steve

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