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Re: Vickers 12g SxS "Australian Special" NP, Pics Roy Australia #232662 06/17/11 12:36 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 931 Moscow, Russia Humpty Dumpty Sidelock
Humpty Dumpty Sidelock Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 931 Moscow, Russia	I've recently read about a scandal with Vickers and a Dutch order for some revolvers, which happened about 1919. The author claims that Vickers "unexplicably" outsourced the order, and the quality of the revolvers supplied was so awful, that many wouldn't even fire. Admittedly, this story has little to do with shotgun making, but it makes me wonder whether the gun in question was made in-house or oursourced?

Re: Vickers 12g SxS "Australian Special" NP, Pics Roy Australia #232684 06/17/11 08:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,107 Likes: 381 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,107 Likes: 381 North Alabama	I wouldn't doubt it a bit that after 1927, or when the Crayford-North Kent facility was downsized or closed, that they outsourced or subed the work. And it is possible even before then. Being somewhat devoid of maker's marks either they performed the tasks inhouse or subed the work to an "in the white state", or later in the process, and then worked off, or hid, the marks in the finishing. Liability/risk management and profit margins are the name of the game. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Vickers 12g SxS "Australian Special" NP, Pics Roy Australia #333263 08/02/13 10:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,393 BC west coast Mike Bonner Sidelock
Mike Bonner Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,393 BC west coast	They even made Luger pistols for the Dutch government.

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