I understand now.

I've not done extensive patterning with the 410, I'm just a target shooter and a pretty informal one at that.

I load 9's only, and they pop the targets on our five stand as well as factory loads in my subjective observations.

I've settled on .007 choke, 9's at 1300+, and it's surprising what the little cartridge can do.

"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble