thanks guys I will point out the price of cartridges the Kemen 28g are selling for slightly less than WInchester premium 12g so they are not that bad I allready have several 12g guns and really enjoy shooting the 20g (I've hit clays with that as far away as other shooters using there 12g's) this is just a play gun I like using things slightly different I think it messes with other shooters heads when you hit targets with a little gun they can't hit with a 12g smile
FWIW I never use more that 7/8oz with the 20g if I need more shot I use a 12g