doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com I want a clunker....

Ah yes. I'm well aware of the extra drop in the stock. My NID is like that and as long as I can remember that I have to hold it differently I do pretty well with it. If I remember....My 1100 points very naturally for me and I can't hit a durn thing with that Citori. I should probably get rid of it because I've found that I don't even really like it.

I'll check into the Western Arms. I'm not familiar with them. I'm sure you're right about saving my money and getting a good classic. It's always better to wait for the one that jumps out at you than to just search for something to buy. It's a rainy day today so maybe I'll do some prowling. Thanks for the advice.

There any number of entry level Baker, Parker, LC Smith, Ithaca, etc around. If you are willing to use low pressure shells. Just do not expect "collector grade" models and condition. As a bottom feeder, I have found more than enough.

Find a local trap/skeet club. Let it be known you are looking for old sxs guns. I have picked up a few guns that way.

Pete

CDNN, an on-line Texas gun dealer has new CZ "Bobwhite" 12 ga. SxS's, with 3 choke tubes, on sale for $499. I'm very pleased with the one that I purchased.

In my opinion the Classic American Clunker would be one of the Folsom Crescent Et Al Hardware Store guns; many of which were Belgian Imports.

In my opinion the best price point for a Solid Old American Gun is in the Remingtons.

Some complain about the Stock Drop, but hell if you want an Old Gun, just learn to shoot it in the Old Way.

I just came home from a fruitless trip to town in search of some parts and stopped by my local gunshop and found that they had a Hunter Arms and a Fox B on the used rack. The Hunter was in pretty good shape and had 30" barrels chocked imp/full which seemed kind of like an odd combo to me but maybe it's not. Priced at $475. Didn't seem too bad but I hate to buy the first thing I see. I don't want to quit looking just yet

For the price of a used Citori, you could get the best value in used sxs guns, the Ithaca/SKB model 100. VERY shootable, good dimensions, but only one trigger. Also good are the two trigger Miroku guns, pre-Browning. Many of the Daly Mirokus are heavy, as are the BSS guns, but I found a mIroku 20 ga w/28 inch barrels, weighing 6# even, for $725 on GunAmerica--no, its not for sale. Then there are the early Ugartechea guns, imported as DIckson and other names. similar prices and good quality. Moving up, you get to the Fox Sterlingworths--from $1K to 2K, depending on ga. and weight or plain L.C. Smith guns. Around $1K or so you may also get used Smith and Wesson Turkish imports, the CZ guns (from Turkey), or the Huglu guns from Turkey. I'd stick to the used Japanese or Ugartechea guns--known quality. If you must have an American made gun, save your money and shop hard for a Sterlingworth that you like. Foxes are the class of American doubles, but desirable configurations are getting hard to find.

I'll take issue with the idea of a servicable parts gun. Now a few may have been bought with that intent which proved to function well enuf but generally "clunkers" (reasonably priced old guns) are purported to work perfectly and in fact don't (hellishly light trigger/sear engagement, short cocking rods, barrels whacked every which way and stocks to match.) Many a clunker SHOULD be a parts gun and isn't. Personally, I think in my case the fascination with old doubles is a romance with American industrial history rather than a belief that they're all hellforstout and will shoot foever. I'd rather have that SKB100 (which I do)and if you can't kick around a Jap Citori what can you kick around? A final word: you can take it from me that four or five 400$ dollar guns aren't going to add up to one 1.5 or 2K gun even if you DON'T half know what you're doing when you buy the more expensive one. Or enjoy the NID. Last time I checked there are others about.

jack

If you can reload and have someone to check out the gun this has possibilities:

Cabelas Parker PH

Caliber 12 Gauge
Chamber 2 3/4"
Barrel 32" damascus with an extractor.
Choke .030", .040"
Weight 8 Lbs 5 ounces.
Trigger Double.
Stock American walnut, appears to be original but the toe has been knocked off and sanded at some point.
Stock Dimensions LOP: 14"
Fore End Splinter.
Butt Parker with widow's peak, checkered with dog.
Manufacture Date 1897.
Status available
Gun Library Rogers, MN

My 75 year old mother-in-law could haggel that gun down to $900 I bet.

Can't contribute very much to this post because I don't know of any American made clunkers.
American made beaters that can be beat up in the field without worries but American made clunkers.....don't know of any and I've never seen one.
And neither have you.

OK, I apologize for calling American made guns "clunkers". Maybe it was a poor choice of words but what I was trying to convey was that I'm looking for a classic double that isn't a safe queen but not a wall hanger either. Maybe I should have just said that but I sat in the back of the class by the window and don't always get my point across the way I meant to. Anyhow....I hear people pointing me towards a Fox. Why? I've never held one or even seen one. (doubles are uncommon around here) What makes them special? I'm sure they are well built pieces but please extol their virtues.

I'm also a very avid (and rabid) reloader and if it goes boom around here I probably put it together so low pressure shells are just one bushing away...

Oh, and that Parker at Cabela's looks pretty sweet. I'd really like to have just one nice shootable damascus piece but that will have to wait for another time. Or can it?