Sorry guys. I didn't intend for my comments to be so inflammatory. I was just trying to explain things from my point of view. Certainly, I did not intend for the mention of the A5 or Model 12 to be pompous or arrogant. I truly believe these are both excellent guns, and believe me, I know first hand they are both quail killing machines. When I was younger a buddy of mine and I , both using A5's killed 9 birds on a covey rise. It made me kind of sick at my stomach and the next year, that covey was no where to be found...this was in Kentucky. I truly believe we wiped out that covey. This is when I decided to go a double gun because there just aren't enough birds for that sort of wanton killing. So, you see, I was a killer too, not that I'm proud of that and I'm glad I changed my ways. Sorry if I ticked you guys off. I didn't mean to . Buzz