For beauty of lines and engraving top grade Elsies; for looks combined with toughness, Foxes. I no longer own one of either and am left in old age with a closet full of Nitro Specials, Miroku s/s, a Victor Sarasqueta 20 ga. Holland and Holland ripoff imported by Stoeger in the early 50's. Just my opinion. I once missed the chance to buy a 12 bore Monogram grade Elsie in nearly mint condition for $350. Chops