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On double trigger guns, I had thought that the rear trigger was set heavier than the front because of the geometry of the finger/hand positioning, am I wrong?
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I have always been told it was for safety, so that when making the quick move from front to rear you don't inadvertently set it off.
If it was the geometry thing, it would FEEL exactly the same. It doesn't. When you pull the rear trigger first, or last, on a gun set up that way, the rear trigger FEELS heavier.
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Last edited by Stan; 03/27/11 07:24 PM.
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I agree, Joe, that the capability is there. I just think it is over-rated. Many feel that the ability to select chokes at a sporting station, and change them for every presentation, is also a huge advantage. I don't. I may be in the minority on this, and probably am, but I'm in some pretty darn good company. Many top competitors believe, as do I, that using enough choke all the time to break anything they might throw at you is a better route. Nothing to think about but killing the bird.
I will agree that you might could practice with one gun hard enough, and long enough, with nothing in mind but switching triggers and selecting the "appropriate" one, you might get to the point that it becomes second nature. Like switching back and forth from single to double triggers. But, I contend it would take thousands of rounds of practice to get there, and to what end? If both the barrels had been choked as tight as the second one, you would have had a dead bird anyway.
I like tight chokes. I hardly ever shoot anything less than a modified, except for quail. I can give that going away bird another second to get away from my muzzles a bit, and give myself that extra second to get on him, a lot easier than I can figure which trigger to use.
My hats' off to you if you can do that instant selection thing, without ever getting it backwards. You are, then, a rare man, indeed. I truly admire the shooter that can do so, because he has devoted much time and effort into learning it.
But, there's a quandary here, if the instant choke selection thing is so important, why do all the double gun "experts" recommend a slightly heavier trigger pull on the rear trigger? If they are so convinced that the rear trigger may be chosen first just as often as the front, they should be recommending exactly EQUAL trigger pulls. They are pretty adamant about this heavier rear trigger thing, BECAUSE, they know in the back of their mind that 99% of the time the front trigger is gonna be pulled first anyway! There's a lot of people claiming to want that instant selection, but who's really using them that way?
SRH No real argument Stan. My observation has to do with game more than clays. My experience is that most shots are either close or far - never was sure what constituted a "modified" bird. I often use cylinder/full for both quail and waterfowl. Different guns of course, but ducks over decoys and quail present similar choices - most resolving themselves into close or not close at all. I find it a great advantage to have a choice of chokes - even loads. The British game gun was created to deal with driven game - plenty of tradition and theory regarding both chokes and trigger pull, but they perform beautifully for our hunting styles as well. No crusade intended - merely what works very, very well for me.
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[quote=Stan] No crusade intended - merely what works very, very well for me. No problem, Joe. You didn't come off as crusading at all. Glad it works for you. Different chokes for different folks, eh?  SRH
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[quote=Stan] No crusade intended - merely what works very, very well for me. No problem, Joe. You didn't come off as crusading at all. Glad it works for you. Different chokes for different folks, eh? SRH LOL! "Different chokes for different folks" - I may use that but will likely not remember to give you copyright credit.
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I have an RBL 28 and the single trigger works great no problems.
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[quote=Stan] No crusade intended - merely what works very, very well for me. No problem, Joe. You didn't come off as crusading at all. Glad it works for you. Different chokes for different folks, eh? SRH LOL! "Different chokes for different folks" - I may use that but will likely not remember to give you copyright credit. I tried to get my buddy Charlie Boswell, of Comp-N-Choke, to use it as an ad line, but alas and alack he didn't seem to think too much of it. So, help yo'sef, Joe.  SRH
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This what CSMC had to say about the RBL single triggers, as posted in a FAQ section on the RBL website:
18. Single Trigger. It is a single trigger with selection in the trigger, very similar to a Model 21. We feel it is the most reliable trigger we know of. Because the top and bottom tang are joined in the rear, and the use of a drawbolt for the stock, there is no movement between the top and bottom tang because they are joined almost as one piece and movement of the top and bottom tang creates most of the problems with single triggers. When top and bottom tang screws are eliminated on the RBL, because the use of the draw bolt, this eliminates most of the problems.
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This what CSMC had to say about the RBL single triggers, as posted in a FAQ section on the RBL website:
18. Single Trigger. It is a single trigger with selection in the trigger, very similar to a Model 21. We feel it is the most reliable trigger we know of. Because the top and bottom tang are joined in the rear, and the use of a drawbolt for the stock, there is no movement between the top and bottom tang because they are joined almost as one piece and movement of the top and bottom tang creates most of the problems with single triggers. When top and bottom tang screws are eliminated on the RBL, because the use of the draw bolt, this eliminates most of the problems.
And therein, perhaps, lies the problem. Which sxs have a reputation of ST's we're told to avoid? Mainly British and Spanish--the latter mostly copying the former. And you'll look long and hard, I think, to find a British or Spanish sxs that's a drawbolt gun. Most of them are the old tang screw design. I'd always thought the fact that ST's on OU's are more reliable had to do with the different alignment of the working parts. But it's certainly true that there's a greater degree of unreliability with ST's on sxs, even if they're still quite reliable--in most cases.
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Single trigger doubles, booo ick! Years ago I had a single trigger LC Smith. After it tried to kill a friend of mine by spontaneously firing, I sent it to a gunsmith for repairs. Later I sold it without ever firing it. Thankfully, I kept the receipt for the repair because the gun spontaneously fired both barrels while the new owner sat in a duck blind with it! I've not liked LC Smiths ever since and I hate single trigger doubles of any make.
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PS To you LC Smith guys, I realize my dislike of LC Smiths is not right, but the entire experience left me with such a bad feeling that I can't shake it. Maybe one day I'll buy a double trigger LC Smith, just to get over the negativity I feel towards LC Smiths.
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