Carom! Some of these threads just take a life of their own, and bent feelers aside, provide insights never drempt of. All I can say is that it is a very small world in some senses and a very large one in others and should you, Leo, have the inclination to try a bit o' powder pigeon at dusk one afternoon when the season has waned with a Chapuis that shoots shot only, I'd be most accommodating, particularly since you'd made such a kind remark about a run at helice I'd made when I'd flinched into a veritible succession of 'em .. blind hog therom, you know.

And to Eug., I owe a great debt for sharing a view of Persimmon that was altogether unknown to me before.

And to our friends, Ted, Lowell, PFD, et. al., it is near impossible sometimes to 'read' a post correctly .. or said another way, to not read into it something that was never there at all. I don't know that any of us possesses the talent to never err and not from time to time be mistaken. This is, I think, one of those threads where it wanders a bit and touches at least a couple of other 'balls' and yet does not necessitate scoring any points for one side or the other, yet we all learn a bit along the way .. at least I do. Thanks, gentlemen, for that .. and I'm most pleased you decided to kiss that frog, Leo.