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Oddly enough, I flew into Heath Row just a couple of years ago with a firearm as luggage and didn't have a bit of trouble.I had my visitors permit in hand, an officer walked me through customs, and asked me all about the shooting I was going to do while I was there. A very pleasant and relatively easy experience all around. Have the rules changed somehow?


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Pete,
Awful example. One nut case does not justify the rest of what is going on:


BBC on guns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2656875.stm


From BBC, not the NRA:

"Old stereotypes die hard and the vision of Britain as a peaceable kingdom, America as "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic" is out of date. It is true that in contrast to Britain's tight gun restrictions, half of American households have firearms, and 33 states now permit law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.

But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.

You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.

Much is made of the higher American rate for murder. That is true and has been for some time. But as the Office of Health Economics in London found, not weapons availability, but "particular cultural factors" are to blame.

A study comparing New York and London over 200 years found the New York homicide rate consistently five times the London rate, although for most of that period residents of both cities had unrestricted access to firearms.

When guns were available in England they were seldom used in crime. A government study for 1890-1892 found an average of one handgun homicide a year in a population of 30 million. But murder rates for both countries are now changing. In 1981 the American rate was 8.7 times the English rate, in 1995 it was 5.7 times the English rate, and by last year it was 3.5 times. With American rates described as "in startling free-fall" and British rates as of October 2002 the highest for 100 years the two are on a path to converge.

The price of British government insistence upon a monopoly of force comes at a high social cost.

First, it is unrealistic. No police force, however large, can protect everyone. Further, hundreds of thousands of police hours are spent monitoring firearms restrictions, rather than patrolling the streets. And changes in the law of self-defense have left ordinary people at the mercy of thugs."

It is hard to be objective in your case.

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Couldn't have stated it any better if it had been authored by the NRA.

Who is one of the leading proponents of much stricter firearms laws here in the United states? Why it's the ACLU of course.

Who was one of the leading proponents of the non institionalization of mentally unbalanced individuals such as the Tucson mass murderer? Why it was the ACLU of course.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out the absusdity of this.
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The Brits have gotten very weird about weapons in general. Folding knives with lock-back blades are a no-no unless you can demonstrate a need. I prefer to carry a hatchet, way better than any lock-back or butterfly knife so that law wouldn't bother me but still I feel sorry for her majesty's subjects. Come to think of it, here in Philadelphia, I'd prefer to think my neighbor was packing heat rather than a hatchet under his jacket.
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I am very sorry to hear of this tragedy. I cannot understand his sentence at all.

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Ditto.

Violence has struck many innocent people. But, as always, we need to look at the criminal and not the implement.

I've had my share as well. Both sides of my family have been affected by drunk drivers that were repeat offenders and ended up killing 4 members on one side and 2 on the other.

It took me a bit of time to realize it was not the Ford Mustang or the Jeep Wrangler that killed my family members. Nor was it the fault of the beer or whiskey. Those were all objects that meant no harm to anyone.

Just as my consumption of beverages has nothing to do with those fatalities either, neither do my firearms cause any human being the slightest harm.

It was the drivers who were repeat offenders who could care less for human life.

My hope and prayers are with your family.

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While in Europe I almost bought myself glorious Protech knife made of all places in California USA. Top of the line piece with lifetime warranty and 24hr warranty service at the knife shop. It was very fancy mafia king model or something like that kinda begs question bowels in or out sir? He told me the reason I have never seen them in US is that only military or police can carry them in there. How stupid is that?

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Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
While in Europe I almost bought myself glorious Protech knife made of all places in California USA. Top of the line piece with lifetime warranty and 24hr warranty service at the knife shop. It was very fancy mafia king model or something like that kinda begs question bowels in or out sir? He told me the reason I have never seen them in US is that only military or police can carry them in there. How stupid is that?


Your remarks above have me scratching my head. I can't speak for the whole country but I live in Arizona and we can legally carry any kind of knife we want. Where do you live? New Jersey?
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Thanks for your kind remarks, I related my experience to highlight the fact that it is people who are bad and Law that is poor.
I am a training provider for all the British national shooting organisations specialising in educating new shooters.
As soon as we all realise that a gun is a lethal weapon designed to kill, but is harmless unless controlled by a person with murderous intent, the better.
I have great pleasure from shooting my guns both at clays and game.
Safe gun handling can open up a whole new World to townies.
Get down to your local gunclub and try it.

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More guns Less crime:

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/


From JayCee (Thank you !)

"Old stereotypes die hard and the vision of Britain as a peaceable kingdom, America as "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic" is out of date. It is true that in contrast to Britain's tight gun restrictions, half of American households have firearms, and 33 states now permit law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.

But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising.
By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape."

Gun Control has nothing to do with crime,just like everything else in the liberal/progressive agenda,its about CONTROL

And yes that includes handguns,the very best way to prevent a tragedy is to be armed.Its been proven time and time again.


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