Kieth, it isn't only my SxSs but also my self loaders (old A5s) my O/Us because I have some that are older than I am. All I'm saying there are anumber aways fo disagreeing without getting personal. May be I'm too touching on this subject because of watching my govenor and legislature acting like grade school children the last couple of weeks. Both sides should be taken to the woodshed in my opinion. Anyway Kieth this was not to single you out just a general comment as to where this thread was going at times.