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I've just been notified by an individual seller of a sxs I am purchasing. Its paid for, package, and he just received an FFL that I got from a local sporting goods store. I didn't notice, but the seller said the FFL holders name is a copy and not signed in ink. What is the actual purpose other than the gun being sent to a dealer for registration? Do you have to show the USPO the FFL for authenticity? or just keep it in your file for a record? What does the sign in ink have to do with the price of coffee? Curious to know. It seems like the FFL as used in this type of transaction is just a verification of mailing address? Whats the scoop? Randy
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First and most important, it's the law. Signed in ink!
Second, since it's a copy only, the sender doesn't know if it's a legit FFL holder or some schmuk that's forging copies and having stuff sent to his favorite felon...
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I don't think it has anything to do with the ATF laws, but he has your money, and that's the way he wants to do it.. MDC
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Well, FWIW, the ATF says that a faxed copy of your FFL is acceptable.
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Rick: I've been misinformed, Could you give me a section number in the Federal laws.. MDC
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I faxed an FFL to Galazan for my RBL. Doubt they would want to get tangled up in something as petty as a wrong FFL
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BATF last year sent notices to FFL 01 and C&R 03 holders that facsimiles are now accepted proof. The recipient can check the fed website to assure himself that the number and name match what's on the database. Simple and easy.
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I have faxed several FFL's over the last few months. Takes a little education of the shipping FFL to make them understand that the FFL can now be faxed. A few refuse to accept this as they are not willing to make any changes in the way they have operated for years. Most just call and ask or go to the website ans confirm that this is OK to do.
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The notice said that it was up to the dealer (that is shipping the gun) if he wants to accept the faxed copy or not. The BATF said it was legal to accept a faxed copy as long as the ffl number is completly legible. I accept them but I've dealt with a few others that will not.
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From my read on the actual regulation, I get that it says you must send a gun to a FFL. It does not prescribe how you determine you are sending it to a FFL. The law didn't change recently, the recommended practice that is acceptable to the ATF changed. No matter what method used, the sender is responsible for ensuring he is sending it to a FFL. So, if he wants a DNA test, you can either satisfy this sender or find another.
All the ATF did was say you've done due diligence by having a faxed copy of a FFL or going to the website. It's not a final legal ruling if you are prosecuted. It'll go a long way, but ultimately it'll be judged in court if you are prosecuted for sending it to a non FFL. At least that's my read.
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