Back in the day, when I didnt know that they didnt work, I bought 2 SKB 20's with 25 inch bbls. I kept one and gave one to my Dad for his birthday. I imagine I killed way more upland birds with that gun than anything else I have ever owned. And lots of waterfowl. I foolishly sold that gun, and every bird season, I wish I had it back. I guess I dont pay much attention anyhow, I tend to switch guns almost daily, these days all Lefevers. I go from a light 16 to a big 10 back to various 12's and dont notice much difference in kill ratio.