Thanks for the info. Right now I use the plastic hulls 2 1/2" from chedite and they work fine. I have used the magtech brass hulls for 28 ga with the oversize wads. I saw that there are some 16 ga Alcan hulls available and was wondering if there was any advantage to using them. I have not tried an 1 1/8 in the 2 1/2" hulls for waterfowl or phesant.