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Bill - are you able to post up any pictures of your big bore guns as I am keenly interested? I have a good friend who has been searching for a quality magnum eight-bore and I know he would also be interested to see them.
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Regarding the 10 bore chambers, my W.J.Jeffrey heavy ten HG circa 1895, 34" 11 1/2 lbs. is stamped on the underside of the barrels
"for 3 1/4" Perfect brass cases" and the original proofs marks for bore size are 10/2, ie. overbored to handle the thin brass case with oversize wads and heavier shot charge. I guess the original magnum 10
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CBL1: I have pictures and would be glad to send them to any
e-mail -however I do not know how to directlly post them on
this site. Contact me at mcphailcherokee@aol.com and I send
pictures and more detail.
Thanks
Bill
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Terry, that Jeffery would be classed as chamberless 12 bore although I agree it is more of a 10. I have some ammo in my collection for one of these. The headstamps are marked 10/12. Some of these were later re-chambered to accept the 3 1/2" 10 bore cartridge and re-proofed accordingly as the thin brass ammunition became obsolete. Lagopus.....
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Parker Brothers is known to have built 4" 8 bore guns. In July of 1889, William Wagner in Washington, DC ordered a pair of 38" barrel 8 bores, one just over 15 pounds, one just under 15 pounds, serial numbers 54,653 and 54,654. In August, the order was changed to reflect 4" chambers for each gun. At least one of these guns has been located by collectors.
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In 10-gauge brass shells my old UMC catalogues offer 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3, and 3 1/4 inch. In paper cases for black powder they offer 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch. In paper cases for bulk smokeless powders they offer 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch. In paper cases for dense smokeless powder UMC offered 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8 and 3 inch.
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Not disputing anyone here, but shouldn't an 1895 gun have the chamber marking for its original "Shell" size. I can conceivably see a 10/2 bore on either a chamberless 12 for "Thin Brass" or a 10 for ordinary brass shells. It is my understanding that not all guns bored for brass are done so to the same extreme as the chamberless guns. In either case the chamber mark should tell the tale on an 1895 gun.
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Lag and Miller. Your replies motivated me to break out the Jeffery and my camera. I will attach a couple pics of the gun and it's proof marks. As stated, it appears to be originally 10 bore chambered for a 3 1/4" brass case and black powder proofed with an overbore of 10/2. For the reasons mentioned by Lag,obsolesces, and the desire to put it back in service,the chamber was lengthened to 3 1/2", and magnum nitro proofed a couple years ago. I can confirm that it does a fine job with 1 1/2 oz. of #2 Bismuth. Terry    
Last edited by Terry Lubzinski; 02/02/11 12:51 AM.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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I imagine you have to be sitting down to shoot those nice ladies!
JC
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Terry,
That's a dandy 10 bore for certain.
Destry
Out there at the crossroads molding the devil's bullets. - Tom Waits
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