Ok, I printed out the advice, checked out the Illini Shotgunner's suggested site, ordered overshot and overpowder cards and the cheap plastic "Sabot Technologies" roll crimper from Precision Reloading. No shortage of strait-walled hulls at the range and if I'd thought about it a month sooner I could have got a lot of 3 and 3.5 inchers from the deer sighting-in out of the barrels at the rifle range. Not sure if the slug rounds are pie or roll but saw somewhere that long hulls cut down well below the old crimp area. Looks like I can get started for about 40$ outlay. Have to find my oven mitt, water bottle for this "moose milk" and whatall. I didn't order any books or data; maybe I'll see something locally. Thanks again!

jack