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| OP   Sidelock 
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I don't know the exact date of the Bourne auction.  We're still looking for paperwork on the gun. Are there archives of the auctions?  Apparently the Kynoch guns were sold over a period of time.  One note was that most of the guns in the auction were extremely heavy barreled gun, probably used as test beds for testing ammunition.  This gun isn't like that.  My postal scale only goes to 10 pounds, but I'll bet that this gun is just under 10.5 pounds, as it feels lighter than my Rolling block BPCR, which is under the 12 pound limit for those guns. |  |  |  
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|   Sidelock 
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Are there archives of the auctions?  I have a few of the Bourne auction catalogs. I've saved some of the important (to me) catalogs, some are even hard backed. They are long out of business, one of the older class-act houses. 
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| OP   Sidelock 
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I have a few photos now.  The gun weighs 9lb, 11.3 oz. The barrel is 34" long, 1.182 at the breech, 0.855 at the muzzle.  The LOP is 15".     Here is a link to the whole album.  Please excuse the messy shop.  http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/Vol423/Gibbs%20Farquharson/ |  |  |  
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|   Sidelock 
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Wow!
 
 With the exception of the recoil pad, the rifle appears to be original and untouched. Serial number places it about in the middle of Gibbs' production.
 
 Too bad about the front sight, but a replacement could be fabricated. Is the lead screw for the rear sight missing, or does it just not show in the pictures?
 
 No matter, it is a fine piece. What a hoot it would be to shoot a match with it!
 
 Glenn
 
 
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| OP   Sidelock 
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The lead screw on the rear sight is there.  It works perfectly and moves as smoothly as a surveyor's instrument.  
 Would anyone want to estimate what this gun is worth?
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| OP   Sidelock 
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I posted the gun at auction on Gunbroker. I thank all of you for your help. |  |  |  
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| OP   Sidelock 
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I was just advised by a kind caller that this very gun is pictured in one of the Winfey books.  It was identified as from the Nobel collection.  Was there a connection between Nobel and Kynoch?  Did Nobel buy Kynoch?  The caller indicated that the photo shows a squashed Silvers pad and that the author must not have seen the gun in person, for he misread the serial number, taking an 8 for a 3, I believe.  He said that it must be this gun, as the  scar on the fore end on this rifle shows clearly in the book's photo. |  |  |  
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To; Vol423,
 I would suggest that your Gibbs-Farquharson, APUN 586 / Metford's BPUN 1763, is not the same rifle illustrated in Winfer's Vol. 2, p. 66, Fig. 69, APUN 536, which has a barrel "in the white", as is described in the caption and shown in the photo.
 Where as your rifle has a blued barrel, and from the crispness of its markings, it is unlikely to have been re-blued.      Jonathan Kirton
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I can't tell from the photos if the gun was in the white. Winfer may have made a mistake there in addition to the confusion about the APUN. I think the writer simply mistook the 586 for a 536.  Looking at the gun close up I can see that it would be very easy to do that.  I still don't know whether it came from Nobel or Kynoch, but either house is famous, so it  probably doesn't matter.  As to ruling out a reblue based on the crispness of the gun's markings, I never underestimate the skill of good gunmakers. |  |  |  
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I never underestimate the skill of good gunmakers.  Amen! I've seen some absolutely unbelievable work that I KNEW had been redone but was absolutely undetectable to even the experienced and knowledgeable naked eye. Regards, Joe 
 You can lead a man to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America!
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