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#212468 01/09/11 02:43 PM
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Thought I would post my newest addition to my SxS family to see if anyone has more info on this very unique shotgun. It is a 12 gauge Syracuse Arms "A" grade I believe? Year made? How many? Background? I bought this shotgun to sell initially, but after I received it, I quickly changed my mind. I am now looking for a C or D grade in this original condition and then I may part with this A grade. I wish all my SxSs had the switch on the forearm to choose between ejector or extractor. I need fast and furious shooting for barn yard pigeons and "pull out the empties" on pheasant hunts. Very nice touch to the pistol grip also. Pictures are attached below.

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very nice.

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Nice gun. I have a Grade 0; the equivalent of a Field grade with the New Twist barrels. Very interesting design. SAC was in business from 1892 to 1905 when it was bought by Ithaca Arms. They made approximately 35k guns during their existance. The DGJ had a series of articles that appeared in every issue of volumes 14 - 16. However, Vol 14; Issues 1 and 2 would appear to be of most interest to you.

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. . . or contact Tom Archer, author of the Double Gun Journal articles. That is a clean machine.

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To date I've recorded SAC serial number into 39XXX; but nothing over forty thousand yet. From surviving catalogs the serial number of your gun would date the gun to about 1902 (no production records are known to exist); the 1902 Grade A SAC gun came standard from the factory with auto ejectors and the innovative ejector ON/OFF device (combined $15 options on all SAC grades below Grade A); and A Grade guns were cataloged at $75 retail. Grade A guns came standard with Damascus barrels; but Krupp barrels were optional at no additional charge on Grade A guns from this production period. All Grade A guns from this period also came standard with the "S" shaped carved "full pistol" grip unless ordered as a straight grip (straight grips are RARE); and were available in 12, 16, and 20 bore. Grade A guns were considered SAC's mid-level grade, and are the most common higher grade SAC guns seen; with any of the Grades higher than Grade A (B, C, D) considered SAC's highest grade offerings. As to the highest Grades C and D SAC guns, you may find one tomorrow; but will likely search for years before finding an example. In my research I've recorded just over 20 Grade D guns; but only 2 Grade C's (have heard unsubstantiated reports of two other C's). The company itself actually commenced business in 1893 and produced their gun under the name of THE HOLLENBECK until 1896, when the name was changed to THE SYRACUSE. According surviving corporate records, SAC was purchased by The Simmons Hardware Company of St. Louis, MO in April, 1905; at which point the company seems to disappear, as research has not uncovered any advertising records from that point forward (Ithaca did purchase some of equipment and assets when sold off by Simmons). You have a very nice SAC gun here and a gun that will provide a lot of pleasure; take care to use her properly, and thanks for sharing.

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Nice gun. I have an O grade, "The Syracuse", early, SN 40xx .

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I added a segment of your barrels here http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfg2hmx7_0dgmfqfgm

as they are a nice example of 3 Iron Crolle ('Oxford' or Hufnagel) with 2 full scrolls between 1/2 scrolls



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