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Grateful for views on short fuse possible purchase of a sxs that, according to my experienced, but not in older American doubles, friend has the following elements:
--"Baker Hammerless" on both sideplates
--12 gauge sxs Damascus barrels (likely not twist)
--engraved action with 2 hunters and rising bird one side; one hunter and dog on the other;
--birds on the trigger guard
--screws generally OK
--Possible previous owners name on a plate inserted in the action (will try for a photo of this)
--buttplate that looks plastic with "BTC & Co." on it. The plate has a broken toe with the broken plastic piece there. No damage to the wood.
--barrels are 30" and "look" full and full
--flats (not sure if action or barrel) have 23 August 1992 and 13 October 1991 and a faint "Pat. 55B1091.
Will post pix as soon as I get them, but am off to the south of Sudan at noon tomorrow and need to get a deposit in if the assembled wisdom of the board argues that the gun sounds as promising as it seems to be...
Regards, Tim
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It sounds like you are looking at a fairly early etched Baker A-Grade if Damascus or B-Grade if Twist. October 13, 1891, and August 23, 1892, are for Frank A. Hollenbeck Patents No. 461182 and 481327, both assigned to the Baker Gun & Forging Co. of Batavia, New York. The logo on the butt plate sould be BG&FCo. Hollenbeck had a third patent issued while he was in Batavia, Patent No. 446166, granted Feb. 10, 1891. That could be the faint "Pat. 55B1091" you see. Check this out -- http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17434920
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Last edited by skeettx; 01/02/11 05:31 PM.
USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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Researcher and Mike,
Thank you for the quick replies.
The S/N my friend recorded is 1104B.
According to the friend who had his hands on the gun, there are no grade markings on the action flats.
Although I do not know what the gun weighs, barrel wall thickness or, even, chokes, believe it's worth risking the $500 being asked. I would much prefer Damascus rather than twist and should have pix of the barrels shortly.
Regards,
Tim
Last edited by Tim Carney; 01/02/11 08:11 PM.
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Tim,
Check that "B" I have a hunch its an "F". From what I know of Bakers, the serial number is a indicator of grade. I believe your serial number would put it in the Peerless grade and the F if it is an F would indicate it was manufactured after Fulton purchased Baker.
Peter A.
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Serial 1104 B is , as marked, a B Grade. It is still in the range of quality that $500 would be a good buy , if the gun is not screwed up.
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