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#207536 10/31/10 03:33 PM
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Evidently, F.W. Keßler too was a maker to the trade.













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GGCA's Baumgarten's F.W. Keßler 1926 DR.


Note the TW on the right side of the water table. Interesting that EW, HW, TW, appear on top rung doubles. If, if they are from the same family & the W is the same least name, it may be possible to make a stab at the name of the family of the master craftsmen who were performing the tasks.








Below, F.W. Keßler 1925 12 bore SxS.





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First, as I thought Henry Voght of Chicago didn't make the examples with his name on them but I'm puzzled why his name would be around the cocking indicators. Now this is not the same drilling as posted on the Heinrich Scherping thread, but as usual the marks point back to a handful of master craftsmen from the Suhl & Zella-Mehlis area with this one pointing directly to F.W. Keßler.









F.W. Keßler from the Heinrich Scherping thread:


I can't say if Merkel made it or not but I would look toward them, F.W. Keßler, Sempert & Kreighoff for the sourcing.

I'd say this is probably our Henry Voght(Sr., Jr.?): http://www.tinleypark.org/documents/83VogtDeptstore.pdf

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Note that the Henry Vogt DR drilling(7/26) & Baumgarten's DR are within a couple hundred in serialization. Recently, I think it was Steve Barnett had a Henry Vogt peddled sporting arm and he also noted that Henry Vogt was a gunsmith at Marshall Fields, www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Field's . So, it is possible that the upper rung clients at Marshall Fields ordered the elaborately adorned German sporting arms and Henry Vogt in turned sourced F.W. Keler. This would also attempt to explain the Addison Stillwell on the triggerguard bow: http://books.google.com/books?id=034_AAA...ell&f=false , as well as the H.N. Scott. Both were clients of Henry Vogt, i.e., Marshall Fields: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=232747&page=1 .

I am curious if the info at Steve Barnett's and the following are from the same source:

"Henry Vogt immigrated to the U.S. in the early 1920's. He was a gunsmith for Marshall Field in Chicago.

He learned his trade in Germany where he said he had to build a rifle "from scratch" in order to become a Master gunsmith. I remember him telling me about how he had to select the tree to cut down for the stock, pour the metal, bore the barrel, and even wind the wire for the springs!

That first rifle was a small bore, simple gun but as you can tell... he went on to bigger, better, and fancier things!

Field's was a premier store downtown and many of their customers were wealthy Chicago citizens. If you do a search for Addison Stillwell, I think you'll find a high profile person and possibly more of the story."

Another post more than likely by the same poster:

"Henry Vogt was a gunsmith for Marshall Field's in Chicago from the 1920's - 1950's/60's. He came to the U.S. from Germany after the First World War and settled in Illinois.
Back in the 50's he showed me a simple rifle that he explained was the final test for him to become a master gunsmith. He said he had to make the entire rifle from scratch - from raw materials.
It's obvious from his surviving guns that he learned his craft well!

I am aware that this thread is old but for historical purposes I felt compelled to take the speculation out of the thead and give some accurate data about Henry Vogt. Now you owners will have a clearer idea of the gunsmith who created the firearm."


1st F.W. Keler was sourced for the DR drilling and it is possible that Henry Vogt added some adornment, but I am very skeptical. The rest of the story, cutting the tree(curing the stock??), pouring the metal, etc. seems to be pure fiction and Henry Vogt may have bored the tube on his exam for Lehrbrief or entry into the pre-Master walkabout, but F.W. Keler would have subed the tube work. The info on the simple sporting arm as a result to the walkabout and resulting master effort may have some merit.


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