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Nothing for now but I'll sleep on it. It was brought to my attention that it also has sideclips. There really wasn't anything short about this longarm. 8 pin sidelock, stocked to the fences(interesting article in the DGJ on fences), etc. I think the "N" in the square like boundary pairs with the 1962 datastring stamp. It would have represented the semi-smokeless and the 4th proof. Here's yet another guess: let's say the components were sourced and the work up too the "in the white' state was subed to the craftsmen in Suhl post 1912 & pre-1923. Then the gun just sat until post June 1st, 1940 when German was in control of the Weipert proofhouse. Then then stamp of the falling fir tree with the crossed hammers atop would only denote the Weipert proofhouse and not the mark noting the longarm being exposed to the 2nd proof firing. That would explain it being on both flats, as per the German rules, and the absence of the stamp of the double headed eagle with a "3" on the breastplate, which would hold the position on the underside of the right tube along with the absence of the preliminary data string. Once again very nice Lovena example with Lovely Poldi( Krasna Poldi ) tubes. I forgot to note the typical Weipert "beetle" type safety. As far as I know Weipert still has their records.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

canvasback's Lovena


A Lovena forsale Marc forwarded to me


Lovena with Belgian proofs I ran across.

I meant to inquire as to what type ejectors might yours have, canvasback?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, your knowledge and ability to sort through these clues is amazing. Thank you for your efforts. BTW which issue of DGJ has the article on fences?

Regards,

James

James,

I'm just as perplexed as the next fella but possibly a little more consumed by the puzzle. But the Weipert facility closed and was moved to Brno in 1954 so all those data strings are those of Brno. The article on the fences is the current on that arrived yesterday.


Dictator

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

The perils of living in Canada....always the last to get my DGJ.

I'm sorry to say but I don't have the knowledge yet to identify the type of ejector. Perhaps you could tell me a few things to look for that would help identify type?

I'm also wondering about the Poldi Anticorro barrels. Am I reading correctly this was an effort in the direction of stainless steel barrels?

I have noticed that, unlike other older guns I have handled, the wear on the barrel blueing strikes me as blotchy. Hard to put my finger on it, just not normal. I had been considering a re-blueing, although I noted in the other thread the comment about the extra effort blueing these barrels may require. It's not that the blueing is heavily worn away but it seems not quite right to my eye. Could that possibly be a result of the Poldi steel?

Regards,

James

James:
Yeah, that Poldi Antikorro/Anticorro was one of the early stabs at stainless steel and it took several applications to get the tubes in an acceptable steady state of bluing. To tell the truth I don't know exactly how it would age.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

James:
Can you give us a detailed description of what and where the areas which lack blueing might be? I wouldn't reblue them and I think Mr. Baumgarten made a mistake by removing the blueing but time will tell. With the position of the pin in the forend iron, I'd guess the ejectors were of the H & H(Holland & Holland) variety being Patent No. 800 of 1893. A pic of the forend iron might aide in the determination.

There looks to be a "C" closer to the rib adjacent to the "Eagle" "Crown" over "S" on the underside of the right tube. I've pondered the puzzle off and on today and hoped that Felix would set us on the straight and narrow as I really have a difficult time believing that the longarm was sourced from Suhl as it has all the hallmarks, including the Purdey nose & sculpted baskül or fences, of a Weipert sourced longarm with the components from Wenzel Morgenstern who may have subcontracted the work to the firm Nobert Schmidl with Josef Hoffman the elder with his son Josef Hoffman the younger at the helm by the time the Germans were in control of the Weipert proofhouse facility. Wenzel Morgenstern's serial number sequence would have been in the 6000 range during WWI. Is there any such serial number on the forend? The lack of preliminary Weipert stamps along with the full monty of 1912-1923 Suhl stamps makes for quite the puzzle. Also were there any stamps on the mechanism side of the locks?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Another item I forgot to mention is that there isn't any vulgar fraction or an encircled bore designation. Although I do realize there is the number 12 which might suffice for one or the other. The executive privilege of the proofmaster Mr. Morgenstern at the Weipert facility, or even at the Suhl proofhouse, must have been quite reaching.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

My vocabulary may be lacking the most descriptive terms but I'll do my best. The blueing is generally pretty good for a gun this old. Where it is worn mostly is about a 20 inch length starting right at the breech end. The wear is specifically on the left and right sides of the respective barrels, not the top or bottom. And where it is worn, the wear is different. In some spots it looks like it was rubbed with steel wool. In others its just blotchy. But I am reaching in these descriptions. Mostly, I just want to say it doesn't look normal.

Too late to take any pictures of the forend or anything else as it is dark and I need outdoor light to get a decent shot. Will try for that tomorrow.

I believe I can see what you are suggesting may be a "C" adjacent to the "Eagle" "Crown" over "S" and feel pretty strongly that it is not a stamp, just scratches.

No sign of stamps or serial numbers on the forend. Might it be on the metal but hidden by the wood?

Also, when we had the lock-plates off at my gunsmith's when I was buying the gun, I wasn't looking for stamps. I don't feel competent to remove the plates myself, so won't. Next time I am seeing my gunsmith I will bring the gun, have him remove the plates and have a look. Will also be sure to have my camera with me.

Regards,

James

Here are some additional pictures including the forearm and some new pictures of barrels stamps.

On the barrels it is now clear in these photos that the numbers just in front of the flats are 288 and 39

Also on the barrels found another number beside the thing that fits into the forearm (sorry on the lame part names). It is 8687. Could that be a serial number?