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Hey guys,many here are missing the point. Whether it's a legal requirement for photo id is irrelevent. Receiving FFL can set his own requirements that are over and above the ATF&E requirement. If the receiving FFL wants photo id from the private shipper, that's what he wants. If private guy wants to ship a gun to that FFL he has to comply. If that doesn't suit the private shipper then he needs to find someone else. End of story. Bottom line. If the legal experts want to get their own FFL it's A-Ok with me. In the meantime I'll run my 35+ year business in my best interests. Thanks for your explanation Hugh, but the responses here are exactly why I rarely do transfers. Some don't care about your risks, your time or your economic viability... This comes up every so often with the same rants, including mine, and the same results. I've learned my lesson. Best,Steve Your condescending reference to some of us as "legal experts" is somewhat insulting. If everyone would spend their OWN time reading the FAQs on the ATF website, these frequent questions would not come up. I'm darn sure not a "legal expert" but I can and do read things for myself. And, in fact, I DO know some of these answers better than SOME FFL holders do. It should be part of their job to know and FOLLOW the rules, as written. Some of them should read the FAQs, as well. I don't agree that making up your own rules is acceptable. It is likely an effort to extract more money out of their customers and should not be tolerated by their customers. Most FFL holders are honest and follow the guidelines just fine, without "risking their livelihood". All of them should.
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Jim,
I agree 100%. I've observed an FFL audit and can understand the concerns. There again making up your own requirements for documents that the audit does not address accomplishes nothing.
It's the same thing when trying to mail a gun by UPS, FEDX or USPS. Too many people don't know the rules so they ad lib something. That in turn screws it up for the next guy and then proliferates into a cluster. As and example my buddy can't mail any guns from his local PO. I can mail anything (within the confines of the law)from mine.
Regards,
Ken
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Take you BATFE regulation manual to the gunshop and tell 'em how they are supposed to do it, but watch the insults...
Best of luck on all your future transfers!
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Take you BATFE regulation manual to the gunshop and tell 'em how they are supposed to do it, but watch the insults...
Best of luck on all your future transfers!
Steve Not really necessary to go to the gunshop to get insulted. We can get that here!
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Late to this party/event, but will add my 2cents. First off, I'm not a dealer, but I was one. Gave it up because frankly it got to be too much of a pain. Now use a couple of local guys and they charge $35.00 for the transfer. Probably will get a C&R license down the road, because I buy nothing less then 50 years old because that's what I like. Anyway, back to case in point.
I sell quite a few guns via Gunbroker. I always state that I'm not a dealer and to make sure the dealer being used on their end has no problems with taking guns from a non-dealer. That said, once a gun is sold I will find out who their dealer is and contact them, obtain their email address and send them a digital copy of my driver's license so they can use it to log the gun into their books. Is it required, no. Does it make sense, yes in my opinion. Frankly, it just closes the loop in my mind. What it also tells that transferring dealer is I'm on the up and up.
PS. For FWIW, when I purchase a Gun, I also send the seller a digital copy of my dealer's FFL whose handling the transfer on my end. That seems to work pretty well. Even now, I run into some dealers who won't take a Fax or digital copy of my dealers FFL. In that case we resort to snail mail and just send them a signed copy. I don't try to fight with dealers because I will lose. I just accept that things aren't always easy and move on. Not worth losing any sleep about it.
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