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Nice gun!
I would leave the stock inlays alone. They may not be the last word in elegance but they certainly are a part of the gun's history. I'm sure the owner had a perfectly good reason to have them made just like they are...
With kind regards,
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Id also like to get that book.
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Here you can find J-C Mournetas' books, all in French. JC
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The book on Idéals is also here . JC
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Another nice thing about these Ideals is that the firing pin is screwed in and it's so easy to replace!
Nice find postoak!
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ellenbr, not too surprising, since the Germans pretty much disarmed the French and took what they wanted, did'nt they have a policy to reproof guns that were imported into Germany offically ? Postoak, your point was what I was referring to in that the reproof all but confirms that "stuff" was being brought back into Germany and according to the June 7th, 1939(published)/ April 1st, 1940 German proof law propagated the old law that any small arm not bearing recognized proofmarks had to be submitted to a German proofhouse for reproof in order to be sold on the open market. Prague stamps were recognized as per a July 23rd 1940 decree. A French 1885 law cancelled compulsory proof. Even though France signed on as a member of the 1914 Internation Proof Conference, the conditions of the agreement weren't incorporated into law into 4th June, 1926 with obligatory proof becoming implemented in June of 1962. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, thank you for stating the situation much better than I did or could, you are a great asset to us here, where can we find your book ?
All the best !
RDG
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RDG:
Thanks and the book question pops up from time to time. Maybe after the meeting with GGCA's Mr. Apel at the Vintagers, possibly a visit with Mr. Jim Cate in Chattanooga sometime in October and then chat up PeteM, who is in Liege absorbing all he can as we speak, on Austrian & Belgian gunmaking, I might just have some direction.
I forgot to mention that more than likely I'd have to travel to Germany to complete the research and unruffle a few feathers as well as possibly ruffle a few others. Hopefully M4 will pilot us over there in his crop duster????
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Hi,
I cannot add much to this thread but as long as I know, most sporting guns were confiscated in France by French police and returned to their owners after the war.( at least on Saint etienne area.)
Most of the guns that do not survive the war time were those hidden in the woods. Thats why there are few Ideal guns for selling now.
I reccomend both Mournetas books, the one about the Ideal shotgunand the one on the Robust. This later book have more info about Manufrance story.
Thanks
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As far as I know the Germans took everything they could as they did for virtually everything in France, whether potatoes, wheat, coal, machinery, workers, etc...
That was certainly true in the "occupied" zone in 1940 to 1942 and everywhere else after 1942.
Eventually, the GIs took most of the guns back to the USA.
There are probably more pre-war French guns in US than in France.
The fact that this gun is Suhl proofed is a perfect example of that two-legged exodus, as it was made in the 1907 time frame.
Most of what was buried did not survive well at all.
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