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This Ideal sold last night on gunbroker for $1425. Looks like a reasonably high grade older version ( double trigger guard) but with pretty short barrels. I put in a few bids but the barrel length was making me nervous. Any comments? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=188216099
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 Interesting that the longarm experienced reproofed in Suhl in March of 1941. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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ellenbr, not too surprising, since the Germans pretty much disarmed the French and took what they wanted, did'nt they have a policy to reproof guns that were imported into Germany offically ?
Canvasback, according to Martin Godio's article in the Winter 2006 issue of the Double Gun Journal 16GA. guns were made from 65 to 74 Centimeters. I bought the gun !
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Postoak - Good for you. I thought it might be someone else on here.
I forgot to dig out that article.....the listing only came to my attention a day or so ago because it wasn't labeled very well (not specific "Manufrance") The seller listed the whole corporate name. Spoke with him on Monday. He had no idea what it was except he thought it was very well made.
I decided after not too long you were more determined than I was.
I thought it would clean up very nicely. Would be curious to know once you've had a look if you think the inlay in the stock is factory or not.
Regards
James
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James, I suspect the inlay was an enhancement done along time ago, but not factory. But who knows what Manufrance would do if asked in the 1902-1907 time frame of the gun ?
I my opinion the inlays certainly do not enhance the appearence on the old gun, maybe a good wood guy could make them disappear.
Do you own any Ideals ?
Regards !
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I watched the gun but decided not to bid. I have a 16ga would love to find a smaller gauge. I think the inlays arnt original. Still a nice piece congrats!
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Postoak, nice gun made in 1907 according to J-C Mournetas' book.
Also, according to Mournetas, the standard length for barrels proofed for
Poudre Pyroxylée was 69.9cm, with optional lengths of 74 or 65cm.
I agree with you on the inlays, I'd try to make them go away.
Congratulations,
JC
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Postoak, no I haven't any Ideals. This would have been my first. Someone offered me one about 4 years ago and I really didn't know what they were at the time. I said no and have regretted it since. It was also a 16 gauge and much plainer but in good condition.
I have been keeping an eye out since and this one looked good, but I really try to keep my buying habits in check, have bought three others guns this year and really shouldn't be buying a fourth right now. Hence my waffling last night.
While I would wish for longer barrels than 65 cm, the rest of the gun was almost exactly the Ideal I have been looking for.
I'm with everyone else, unless they look different in the flesh (or could be confirmed as factory original), try to make the inlay go away.
If you decide the gun is not for you, let me know. It's only 3 1/2 months to the new year, and then I can find a new way to rationalize buying a gun. LOL
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I will let y'all know how it looks when I get my hands on it.
I have a Ideal No 6 in 12 Gauge, also. I came across it for sale and had no idea at the time what it was, but could tell it was very high quality and I bought it.
Since then I have been on the look out for a 16 Ga with the Lunette trigger guards.
We have quite a little Clique of Ideal affianados here on the board.
JayCee where can I find that book ?
Regards all !
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Postoak, the Mournetas book is on the web but I have forgotten whether you can get it thru Abebooks or Amazon. Dealer I dealt with was in a Paris suburb. I have "read" mine several times, highlighting the parts I understood (the illustrations).
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